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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Socialist Europe, including France and Sweden, has the highest freedom rankings in the world. In fact, Western and Southern Europe is the only region in the world in which all nations have a "1" rating for democracy and political freedom (Minus Turkey). Freedom in the World (report) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    How many more things can you be wrong about??
    Minus Turkey AND Monaco, two countries not a 1 rank.

    On top of that, maybe you should actually consider the populations of the countries in question. Though Mexico may rank as a 2, its population is only about 110 million. With Canada at about 33 million, and the United States at 300 million, the total population living under a 2 rank in freedom (according to the wikipedia data) is about 25%. No telling how that will change when Mexico collapses...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    If you take the Americas section of the graph, and reduce it to Canada, the US, and Mexico.
    You reduced your argument to just western and sotuhern Europe, so surely I can constrain the Americas to just North America, a land mass many times the size of western and southern Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Look at the color coded region graph I linked to. You're reaching so bad right now, you'll take any irrelevant thing and exaggerate it to the max... shameless.

    I'm starting to look to Risen to make the most sense out of the free-marketers...
    Looks like every country in the Top 15 of Economic Freedom in the world except Singapore scores a 1 or a 2 in Civil Liberties. Would you care to prove my point for me any further?
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    Guys, guys... I feel like I'm in my living room with my two sons. This should be a discussion, not a tit-for-tat one-upsmanship.

    Oh, I forgot... this is the internet.

    Carry on, fellas.

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    So I watched the video at the core of this "conversation"... He ignores the lenders who fudged the applications for the loans they gave to people who they knew couldn't afford them, as if they magically got into these homes they couldn't afford, and then mentions Cuba as if we haven't had an embargo going against them for the past half century which effectively crippled their economy. Then he goes on to claim a wall street trading floor is a pretty good cross section of the country... Comedic gold
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    Quote Originally Posted by kendoiwan View Post
    So I watched the video at the core of this "conversation"... He ignores the lenders who fudged the applications for the loans they gave to people who they knew couldn't afford them, as if they magically got into these homes they couldn't afford, and then mentions Cuba as if we haven't had an embargo going against them for the past half century which effectively crippled their economy. Then he goes on to claim a wall street trading floor is a pretty good cross section of the country... Comedic gold
    LMAO! You cannot be serious. First of all, he is AGAINST bailing out banks who made/commoditized bad loans. Secondly, our economic embargo on Cuba has almost nothing to do with their poverty. The United States is 5% of the world economy. The sole reason for negative Cuban growth is their socialistic economic system. It absolutely keeps that country poor. Finally, do you know any traders? If you do, you would most likely realize that the gamut of mainstream American politics is represented on those floors. Did you not notice that only SOME of the people on the floor were cheering the guy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    LMAO! You cannot be serious. First of all, he is AGAINST bailing out banks who made/commoditized bad loans. Secondly, our economic embargo on Cuba has almost nothing to do with their poverty. The United States is 5% of the world economy. The sole reason for negative Cuban growth is their socialistic economic system. It absolutely keeps that country poor. Finally, do you know any traders? If you do, you would most likely realize that the gamut of mainstream American politics is represented on those floors. Did you not notice that only SOME of the people on the floor were cheering the guy?
    Like I said, not everybody in the world is liberal...

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    Libertarian philosophy is a joke. It would fail as badly as communism. Both systems are based on ideals that don't exist in the real world. I don't think governments are efficient. And, I also don't think markets are efficient. Most major investors like Warren Buffet disagree with efficient market theories. Let markets do what their good at, and let governments do what their good at.

    Not to mention that the conditions needed for capital markets to exist are due to government intervention.

    Not to mention Cubans have better health care than many Americans.

    I do like Americans, but am thankful to be Canadian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangler View Post
    Libertarian philosophy is a joke. It would fail as badly as communism. Both systems are based on ideals that don't exist in the real world.
    Wrong. You clearly have no idea what you are writing about. The whole point of libertarianism is that most of what governments do is based on pie-in-the-sky assertions that turn out not to have basis in reality.


    I don't think governments are efficient. And, I also don't think markets are efficient. Most major investors like Warren Buffet disagree with efficient market theories. Let markets do what their good at, and let governments do what their good at.
    I would never argue that markets are perfectly efficient. Clearly, a free market in, say, national defense makes no sense because you can't provide national defense for people on an individual basis. There are very few things at which governments are very good, and, unfortunately, they include things such as bombing brown people, arresting pot smokers, and stealing money.


    Not to mention that the conditions needed for capital markets to exist are due to government intervention.
    Sure. There has to be someone to enforce the contracts, maintain the infrastructure, etc.


    Not to mention Cubans have better health care than many Americans.
    Not really. Most Americans who have no health insurance will eventually just go to an emergency room, and pretty much every hospital in the United States is a better option than any hospital available to the majority of Cubans.


    I do like Americans, but am thankful to be Canadian.
    Canada is a fine country, but I am very thankful to be an American. I've traveled a good deal, and it is AWESOME here.
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    Libertarianism is based almost exclusively off of the ideals of the Free Market, Perfect Competition, and Rational Individuals. All are theoretical economics concepts that don't naturally occur and ignore most social justice issues. The assertion that markets are an ineffective way to deal with public goods, like national defense, is true, but not the issue. In my previous comments I'm of course referring to capital markets. Where lately, the volatility and uncertainty would support a conclusion that they are less than efficient. Libertarianism asserts we should base as much of our society as possible on free markets because they are the most efficient at distributing our scarce resources. If that's true, why have our capital markets bubbled, collapsed, bubbled, and collapsed again? For the past decade investor's pie-in-the-sky asset valuations have failed to allocate resources effectively. I support a balanced approach to society. Markets need regulation as much as government needs accountability. There are of course issues of government spending that I don't agree with, but that alone isn't an excuse to become a libertarian. I have to say I admire your idealism, and the enthusiasm with which you promote it.
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