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  • 'Eye for an eye' is as ancient as it is just.

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  • I'm with Gandhi on this; 'an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    This principle is a kind of forced empathy for the violator. Cruelty requires dehumanizing the other person, so having the same harm experienced by self could end the dehumanizing assumptions in a quick and shocking way. For the person who cannot connect enough to another human being to realize that hurting them is equivalent to hurting self, then this kind of retribution makes that known in an unmistakable way. When a person has empathy, they understand this relationship in a real way and it prevents the person from violating the other. Violating another person does violate self even though the cruel mind cannot comprehend that this is what they have done. The perpetrator is already blinded by his willingness to harm another. This is not to conclude he should or should not be punished by being blinded.
    I'm sure most people who commit violent crimes don't need to be told or have it demonstrated that the stuff they do to people hurts. A lot of them have experienced it first hand already, it's a common reason for being a violent person in the first place.

    The punishers clearly don't feel empathy either. Otherwise they would feel the pain of blinding this man.

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I don't understand how people are really arguing over if this guy should be blinded or not. Wtf?
    It's the, 'if someone hits you should you hit them back?' debate. Just amplified a bit.

    'But he started it', versus 'but you kept it going'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hexis View Post
    "If a man should slap you on one cheek, smash him on the other!"
    She "slapped" him so he "smashed" her. That man probably used that rule when he decided to attack the woman.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hexis View Post
    Its kind of funny that so many people shun it though when one of the golden rules most kids are taught in their early years in America is "Treat others how you want to be treated"...its the same thing just worded differently.
    The golden rule would state that she shouldn't blind him if she doesn't want to be blinded. He shouldn't have blinded her if he didn't want to be blinded. It doesn't imply that you actually blind them. An eye for an eye does imply that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lookin4theBestNU View Post
    No, it's not perfect eye for an eye. She didn't ask for him to have his face burned and mutilated along with the blindness she received. I think in this case close enough is good enough.
    My point was that it is subjective. People see losing a hand for stealing as an eye for an eye too (they have nothing to take from usually, so it's seen as fair to beat and mutilate them). Being stoned for being seductive is another example, some people see that as an attempt to remove their chance at gaining entrance to heaven, others as a favour. One person's blindness will be much more painful than another's.

    That's not including the pain felt by the woman's loved ones, how do you mimic that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by erm View Post
    It's the, 'if someone hits you should you hit them back?'
    In a perfect world, if someone hits you, the legal system should hit them back. IMO

    Quote Originally Posted by erm View Post
    The golden rule would state that she shouldn't blind him if she doesn't want to be blinded. He shouldn't have blinded her if he didn't want to be blinded. It doesn't imply that you actually blind them. An eye for an eye does imply that.
    I don't consider this a violation of the golden rule. The golden rule sets expectations in a way that if you do good, expect back goodness, and if you do bad, expect back badness. He took action. It was bad. Now, bad happens to him. The golden rule applies to those who initiate. It would only apply to this woman if she wanted to punish him more than he victimized her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangler View Post
    I don't consider this a violation of the golden rule. The golden rule sets expectations in a way that if you do good, expect back goodness, and if you do bad, expect back badness. He took action. It was bad. Now, bad happens to him. The golden rule applies to those who initiate. It would only apply to this woman if she wanted to punish him more than he victimized her.
    The golden rule doesn't state that you should be punished/rewarded for your actions, simply that you should treat others as you want to be treated.

    The concept you describe is karma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erm View Post




    She "slapped" him so he "smashed" her. That man probably used that rule when he decided to attack the woman.
    See now your nitpicking, a reasonable person wouldnt have done that to her for just a slap. Maybe if she shot him, but not a slap.

    The golden rule would state that she shouldn't blind him if she doesn't want to be blinded. He shouldn't have blinded her if he didn't want to be blinded. It doesn't imply that you actually blind them. An eye for an eye does imply that.
    How did i know someone was going to say something like that, still nitpicking.

    The golden rules stats treat others how you want to be treated. He intiated the treatment by victimizing her so ruthlessly, shes merely returning the "favor".
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    Quote Originally Posted by erm View Post
    The golden rule doesn't state that you should be punished/rewarded for your actions, simply that you should treat others as you want to be treated.

    The concept you describe is karma.
    Karma is the belief that the universe will naturally punish and reward those who deserve it. How do you know that this is not the natural way the universe has chosen to punish him?
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    Belief systems aside, the saying does have flaws. How can you tell your children "treat others as you want to be treated", and then they discover that treating people badly usually results in no consequences at all? The reality is, the saying goes "treat others the way you want to be treated, because if you don't one day you'll be treated worse than you ever imagined."
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    Quote Originally Posted by erm View Post
    The concept you describe is karma.
    I also think that if you boiled Karma as concept down to a single sentence you would arrive at the Golden Rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangler View Post
    Karma is the belief that the universe will naturally punish and reward those who deserve it. How do you know that this is not the natural way the universe has chosen to punish him?
    It is the natural way the universe has chosen to punish him, otherwise it wouldn't be occuring. (No such thing as unnatural, IMO)

    Karma isn't actually considered mystical or supernatural by many. It generally refers to cause and effect much like you described.

    "Treat others as you would like to be treated"

    Nowhere in that sentence does it mention punishment or reward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erm View Post

    Nowhere in that sentence does it mention punishment or reward.


    Uhh...actually, thats exactly what it entails. Treat others how you want to be treated and you will be "rewarded in kind"...so uhh yeah....

    Edit: The reward is the equal treatment you give out, and the motivation to follow said rule is the "reward" of your treatment...what else would the point be in it if not?
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    That sentence is only half the concept IMO as it offers no reason for to behave that way. I think the only logical conclusion is to infer a incentive/disincentive based system.
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