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    Default States Declairing Sovereignty - video interview up

    *video is now up*
    [youtube="Ja3hJcD1oNE"]State Sovereignty[/youtube]
    An interview about the growing number of states pushing forward legislation to assert their sovereignty from the Federal government in a time when the constitution is being trampled upon.

    Lawmakers in 20 states move to reclaim sovereignty


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    Lawmakers in 20 states move to reclaim sovereignty
    Obama's $1 trillion deficit-spending 'stimulus plan' seen as last straw
    Posted: February 06, 2009
    11:50 pm Eastern

    By Jerome R. Corsi
    2009 WorldNetDaily


    Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon
    NEW YORK As the Obama administration attempts to push through Congress a nearly $1 trillion deficit spending plan that is weighted heavily toward advancing typically Democratic-supported social welfare programs, a rebellion against the growing dominance of federal control is beginning to spread at the state level.

    So far, eight states have introduced resolutions declaring state sovereignty under the Ninth and Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, including Arizona, Hawaii, Montana, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma and Washington.

    Analysts expect that in addition, another 20 states may see similar measures introduced this year, including Alaska, Alabama, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania.

    "What we are trying to do is to get the U.S. Congress out of the state's business," Oklahoma Republican state Sen. Randy Brogdon told WND.

    "Congress is completely out of line spending trillions of dollars over the last 10 years putting the nation into a debt crisis like we've never seen before," Brogdon said, arguing that the Obama stimulus plan is the last straw taxing state patience in the brewing sovereignty dispute.

    "This particular 111th Congress is the biggest bunch of over-reachers and underachievers we've ever had in Congress," he said.

    "A sixth-grader should realize you can't borrow money to pay off your debt, and that is the Obama administration's answer for a stimulus package," he added.

    The Ninth Amendment reads, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    The Tenth Amendment specifically provides, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    Brogdon, the lead sponsor of the Oklahoma state senate version of the sovereignty bill, has been a strong opponent of extending the plan to build a four-football-fields-wide Trans-Texas Corridor parallel to Interstate-35 to Oklahoma, as WND reported.

    Rollback federal authority

    The various sovereignty measures moving through state legislatures are designed to reassert state authority through a rollback of federal authority under the powers enumerated in the Constitution, with the states assuming the governance of the non-enumerated powers, as required by the Tenth Amendment.

    The state sovereignty measures, aimed largely at the perceived fiscal irresponsibility of Congress in the administrations of Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, have gained momentum with the $1 trillion deficit-spending economic stimulus package the Obama administration is currently pushing through Congress.

    Particularly disturbing to many state legislators are the increasing number of "unfunded mandates" that have proliferated in social welfare programs, such as Medicare and Medicaid, in which bills passed by Congress dictate policy to the states without providing funding.

    In addition, the various state resolutions include discussion of a wide range of policy areas, including the regulation of firearms sales (Montana) and the demand to issue drivers licenses with technology to embed personal information under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative and the Real ID Act (Michigan).

    Hawaii's measure calls for a new state constitutional convention to return self-governance, a complaint that traces back to the days it was a U.S. territory, prior to achieving statehood in 1959.

    "We are trying to send a message to the federal government that the states are trying to reclaim their sovereignty," Republican Rep. Matt Shea, the lead sponsor of Washington's sovereignty resolution told WND.

    "State sovereignty has been eroded in so many areas, it's hard to know where to start," he said. "There are a ton of federal mandates imposed on states, for instance, on education spending and welfare spending."

    Shea said the Obama administration's economic stimulus package moving through Congress is a "perfect example."

    "In the state of Washington, we have increased state spending 33 percent in the last three years and hired 6,000 new state employees, often using federal mandates as an excuse to grow state government," he said. "We need to return government back down to the people, to keep government as close to the local people as possible."

    Shea is a private attorney who serves with the Alliance Defense Fund, a nationwide network of about 1,000 attorneys who work pro-bono. As a counter to the ACLU, the alliance seeks to protect and defend religious liberty, the sanctity of life and traditional family values.

    Republican state Rep. Judy Burges, the primary sponsor of the sovereignty resolution in the Arizona House, told WND the federal government "has been trouncing on our constitutional rights."

    "The real turning point for me was the Real ID act, which involved both a violation of the Fourth Amendments rights against the illegal searches and seizures and the Tenth Amendment," she said.

    Burges told WND she is concerned that the overreaching of federal powers could lead to new legislation aimed at confiscating weapons from citizens or encoding ammunition.

    "The Real ID Act was so broadly written that we are afraid that it involves the potential for "mission-creep," that could easily involve confiscation of firearms and violations of the Second Amendment," she said.

    Burges said she has been surprised at the number of e-mails she has received in support of the sovereignty measure.

    "We are a sovereign state in Arizona, not a branch of the federal government, and we need to be treated as such, she insisted.

    Joining the show in brief segments were Representatives Matt Shea, Jim Guest, Dan Itse, & Charles Key who described sovereignty efforts in their home states. Shea of Washington state, said they were sending a message, telling the Feds to back off. Jim Guest of Missouri cited the Real I.D. act as being particularly problematic.
    [youtube="pJpLZt1QfVg"]Coast to Coast am - states' rights pt 1[/youtube]

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    Something I've noticed: If Alex Jones and WND say something might happen... it's not going to happen.

    Meanwhile, Obama has very high approval ratings, and the slight majority of people support the stimulus plan.

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    I've always wanted to see another secession happen. Mix it up a bit.



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    I've been noticing this trend. Why would we believe that the fifty states would stand indefinitely? Taking an historical view we've only been together for the blink of an eye.

    Some states are in such serious trouble that it is reasonable to think others may cut them loose rather than shoulder their financial burdens. Other states are motivated by an ideology which is increasingly becoming apart from the general direction the government seems to be taking.

    I could see another Civil War scenario emerging when push comes to shove. Human nature to draw up sides when times get tough.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    I've never seen state governments as being any less involved in the problem of "pork" or mis-managed/mis-allocated funds than the Feds. So this wouldn't strike me as a great step forward even if it does happen.
    "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Something I've noticed: If Alex Jones and WND say something might happen... it's not going to happen.

    Meanwhile, Obama has very high approval ratings, and the slight majority of people support the stimulus plan.
    If the majority means 37% of people support it, then yes, the majority of people support it.

    Rasmussen Reports

    As for Alex Jones and WND, I will only ask if you've actually listened to the content, assessed the info for yourself, and kept tabs on just how much turns out to be hogwash, how much hasn't come to fruition yet, and how much proved to be accurate. I'm guessing you just hear things here and there, and then rapidly dismiss it without articulating the subject matter.

    With that said, people like Alex Jones are definitely alarmist. That is why I very rarely will take what he says and make a big point about it just because he embellishes so much. However, I know from my years of hearing him speak out on certain issues that the INFORMATION he brings to the table is usually VERY credible and true. It's often his delivery and sometimes far flung conclusions that I disagree with. As far as what is mentioned in the video interview, I agree with him 100% because I have seen the news stories and the legislation he mentions for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuranes View Post
    I've never seen state governments as being any less involved in the problem of "pork" or mis-managed/mis-allocated funds than the Feds. So this wouldn't strike me as a great step forward even if it does happen.
    I agree, that also left me skeptical of the... integrity of the movement, considering the States can have just as many problems as the federal government. California is a prime example. There is a large divide here between the local level and the state level, particularly in the head centers like Sacramento and San Francisco, with the latter 2 being very extremist compared to the majority of CA. There's a good chance the state may split up. In any case, it's a complicated issue, and I certainly wouldn't say this would be pushed by an "enlightened electorate" weary of the Fed overstepping its bounds. More likely it's a few informed legislators getting things rolling.

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    I'm a believer in the "trickle UP" movement. Give that money to us citizens, if you're handing it out, and, if we owe certain banks money, fair and square, then require us pay them first - before spending it on other stuff. If you want to give it to the "auto industry", find some auto company that's really forward thinking ( whoever that might be - Tesla was suggested ) and give it in stages to them.
    "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    If the majority means 37% of people support it, then yes, the majority of people support it.

    Rasmussen Reports

    As for Alex Jones and WND, I will only ask if you've actually listened to the content, assessed the info for yourself, and kept tabs on just how much turns out to be hogwash, how much hasn't come to fruition yet, and how much proved to be accurate. I'm guessing you just hear things here and there, and then rapidly dismiss it without articulating the subject matter.

    With that said, people like Alex Jones are definitely alarmist. That is why I very rarely will take what he says and make a big point about it just because he embellishes so much. However, I know from my years of hearing him speak out on certain issues that the INFORMATION he brings to the table is usually VERY credible and true. It's often his delivery and sometimes far flung conclusions that I disagree with. As far as what is mentioned in the video interview, I agree with him 100% because I have seen the news stories and the legislation he mentions for myself.
    I used to visit Prison Planet a lot, for entertainment. But I check out WND about every other day. Both are complete jokes.

    WND is a little better than Jones, who champions almost every conspiracy theory he learns of.

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    The fed has spent and put a huge burden on our youth just so we all can feel good for a month or 2. And that is only going to be created out of speculation.

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