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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Does anyone here really think that USA will/could fall apart?
    Or you treat this as a circus that will pass?

    The USA will end, but not before everything else does. The USA is until the end of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Does anyone here really think that USA will/could fall apart?
    Or you treat this as a circus that will pass?
    I've thought this could happen since a very long time and was one of the reasons I left the country 6 years ago.

    The population gets bigger and bigger, yet manufacturing has been moved out of the country, the food supply has been highly manipulated, education and infrastructure have been neglected, and healthcare is increasingly unaffordable. The US has instead invested in disposable consumerism and the military. It seems like some social issues have been improving, but I feel like everything else is a deck of cards waiting to be blown over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I try not to use one-liners all the time. But if I took a bad argument seriously, that would be giving it some legitimacy when it doesn't deserve it.
    Your benevolence is commendable.

    The US isn't going to become a third-world country. We have far too much human capital for that to happen. Part of me hope there's a collapse because there's no way to get rid of the trash system we have without it. The other part of me would rather avoid the pain.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    I think we are rapidly becoming a third world country just from looking around. I can remember a whole different country forty years ago. Totally different. I keep telling you guys that you have not much to compare with. I've seen dramatic changes for the worse in nearly all life areas - educational, medical, spiritual, political, social.

    You wouldn't believe me when I tell you when I was growing up nobody locked their doors or cars. And that was in nearly all of southern MN. There was virtually no theft where I lived. There were no public assaults. This is true. You guys can't even envision such a place. I've heard people on this forum actually scorn such a place. And that in itself tells me about the level of comfort you have developed with things gone bad.

    It really has frightening social implications.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    I used to live in Lake Saint Louis, MO. While I was there, there was a period of time where I didn't lock my doors or even close my garage door for almost 2 years. And this was recent (2001-2003). After living in south Florida, I'm now kind of paranoid about keeping doors locked. But that's when happens when you go from living in an area with a low population density to a high population density.

    None of that has anything to do with the US becoming a third world country. We have running water. We have electricity. We have good infrastructure (even if it is kind of old, it's still better than what third world countries have). We have educated citizens. We don't have to worry about diseases like malaria or tuberculosis breaking out in the population. We have plenty of food. None of that will change any time soon.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    I think we are rapidly becoming a third world country just from looking around. I can remember a whole different country forty years ago. Totally different. I keep telling you guys that you have not much to compare with. I've seen dramatic changes for the worse in nearly all life areas - educational, medical, spiritual, political, social.

    You wouldn't believe me when I tell you when I was growing up nobody locked their doors or cars. And that was in nearly all of southern MN. There was virtually no theft where I lived. There were no public assaults. This is true. You guys can't even envision such a place. I've heard people on this forum actually scorn such a place. And that in itself tells me about the level of comfort you have developed with things gone bad.

    It really has frightening social implications.
    You do actual third world countries a disservice by saying America is on it's way to becoming one. Saying we're becoming one because we have to lock our doors and may be mugged if we head into a bad neighbourhood is ridiculous.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    You do actual third world countries a disservice by saying America is on it's way to becoming one. Saying we're becoming one because we have to lock our doors and may be mugged if we head into a bad neighbourhood is ridiculous.
    What's ironic is that most people in third world countries don't even have locks.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Yes, Jock. I think simply that one example (I could offer many more.) could cast a bad light onThird World countries where people actually still watch out for their neighbors. There certainly must be some place where that is still widely practiced. Trying to think here. . .

    You do understand, I'm sure, that I use the words "Third World" in a metaphorical sense. As in poor standards of living which may not support healthy human life.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    I think we are rapidly becoming a third world country just from looking around. I can remember a whole different country forty years ago. Totally different. I keep telling you guys that you have not much to compare with. I've seen dramatic changes for the worse in nearly all life areas - educational, medical, spiritual, political, social.

    You wouldn't believe me when I tell you when I was growing up nobody locked their doors or cars. And that was in nearly all of southern MN. There was virtually no theft where I lived. There were no public assaults. This is true. You guys can't even envision such a place. I've heard people on this forum actually scorn such a place. And that in itself tells me about the level of comfort you have developed with things gone bad.

    It really has frightening social implications.
    Saying we're becoming 3rd world CURRENTLY is a very far stretch. What would be more accurate is to say we are presently becoming more socialist, losing our liberties, and losing strength economically. As a result of such changes, it is conceivable that the U.S. could move much closer to 3rd world status somewhere in the future. I was hearing some stats on the news today that by looking at the growth of government and the measured level of its involvement in the economy, that we are nearly at the level of Europe (almost as socialist as Europe, as they put it). Sooner or later, going towards socialism will mark the end of our prosperity and dominance in the globe. I'm sure it'll be sooner than later...

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    First World = United States and its allies
    Second World = Soviet Union and its allies
    Third World = everyone else

    But nowadays people use the terms more like "First World = developed" and "Third World = underdeveloped"... even so:

    Third World Country = Non-industrialized

    United States = Industrialized

    United States =/= Third World Country


    I don't see our factories magically disappearing anytime soon...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    The USA will end, but not before everything else does. The USA is until the end of time.
    Huh?... 2012 conspiracy?..?..

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