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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    For the simple fact that we are not Europe, and Europe has not contributed nearly as much to the world or shared in nearly as much success as this country did in all its time as a capitalist, free market economy under a republic of true principles. Over the past decades as that spirit has begun to fade, the gap between the United States and Europe is being diminished. Fine, lets all become Europeans, and lets all embrace a socialist system. But god dammit you'd better consider the consequences and the steps to follow, because what made us the world superpower, the greatest economy, and the greatest example of freedom and liberty to the entire world DID NOT come about because we decided to be like Europe and shun a system that celebrates the power of the individual in every sector (government, economy, socially, etc.).

    People just don't understand where the heck we've come from, where we are going, or what it means. They don't know why or how this country (and certainly the world after it) has enjoyed the success it has. For that, they wont even recognize when we've lost it.

    That is interesting claim. If we ever turn to US way of doing things I would not consider myself American.

    I think that contributions are actually around 50:50.

    What made you a global superpower is WW II and as the war passed it is harder and harder to maintain this level of power.
    At leat that is how I see it. But I understand that things are not that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rangler View Post
    You Americans and your Fox News... I don't understand you... lol...
    Perhaps America has leaned so far left, we are going to topple over?

    CNN=Communist News Network

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    That is interesting claim. If we ever turn to US way of doing things I would not consider myself American.

    I think that contributions are actually around 50:50.

    What made you a global superpower is WW II and as the war passed it is harder and harder to maintain this level of power.
    At leat that is how I see it. But I understand that things are not that simple.
    Well technically, the military aspect of "a superpower" doesn't have much correlation to what sort of economy or government the country has (aside from its ability to fund the military and produce advanced technology). Any system can build military force. However, it's in how we use that force that determines how we maintain power and what our relationship with the rest of the globe will be, and the way we have used it has been... disjointed from the will of the nation itself, historically. That's a can of worms I don't want to open...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The last time you had a Social Democratic Party was around the end of the 19th Century. And it was called the, "Populist Party".

    It didn't last very long and today the word, "populist", is only used in a pejorative sense.

    So you have two parties of business that are marketed by Public Relations firms.

    And Public Relations are synonymous with public lying.

    So essentially you are a one party state, where, quite naturally few people vote.

    But at the same time you tell us you are the most democratic country in the world. And we should all follow your example.

    No wonder you have lost your sense of irony - what use is it to you?
    This is true, in a sense. We are essentially a single party state because of our form of democracy, though (single member districts, etc.). Although this limits our ability to adapt in some fashion, it also makes us one of the most politically stable democracies and forces major parties to adopt the positions of minority parties and people in order to maintain the advantage, which appears to work as well or better than the purely proportional representative system's coalition governments.
    "You will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you never had the courage to commit."

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    than to serve and obey them. - David Hume

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    I bet you have no idea about what was just passed in the spending bill, the beginnings of a smart grid that will monitor how you use EVERY electrical device in your home, thus keeping track of your energy usage and carbon footprint.
    This is one part of the bill I actually like. It has been shown that when people are allowed to monitor their own electricity usage, their usage drops by an average of ~10%. That's without the government breathing down anyone's neck, just individuals policing themselves because they have more information. Right now, people have no idea how much electricity they're using because of the antiquated infrastructure that's currently in place.

    Google Jumps on the Smart Grid Bandwagon | BNET Energy Blog | BNET
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    This is one part of the bill I actually like. It has been shown that when people are allowed to monitor their own electricity usage, their usage drops by an average of ~10%. That's without the government breathing down anyone's neck, just individuals policing themselves because they have more information. Right now, people have no idea how much electricity they're using because of the antiquated infrastructure that's currently in place.

    Google Jumps on the Smart Grid Bandwagon | BNET Energy Blog | BNET
    Honestly, I'll use as much electricity as I want, because I pay for it with my own hard earned money. I don't need the government to spend money making a system to track all of my energy usage down to every appliance in my freaking home. I sure as hell don't need the government to start regulating what temperature I can keep my thermostat set on. Sometimes you seem to have little concept of "government overstepping its bounds" . Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Honestly, I'll use as much electricity as I want, because I pay for it with my own hard earned money. I don't need the government to spend money making a system to track all of my energy usage down to every appliance in my freaking home. I sure as hell don't need the government to start regulating what temperature I can keep my thermostat set on. Sometimes you seem to have little concept of "government overstepping its bounds" . Just saying.
    I think you missed the point... the government will allow you to know how much you are using, which inherently causes people to conserve energy.

    One of the major inefficiencies in markets is information - fundamental to the rational actor part of economics, and equally fundamental to capitalism. Government here would be doing its job by creating information like this. (For an analogy, you can use account standards or food labels...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Honestly, I'll use as much electricity as I want, because I pay for it with my own hard earned money. I don't need the government to spend money making a system to track all of my energy usage down to every appliance in my freaking home. I sure as hell don't need the government to start regulating what temperature I can keep my thermostat set on. Sometimes you seem to have little concept of "government overstepping its bounds" . Just saying.

    Well, the amount of power you use does affect others in some way.. its like saying that "I can shit on the sidewalk wherever and whenever I want because it's my shit and I can do whatever I want with it!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    I think you missed the point... the government will allow you to know how much you are using, which inherently causes people to conserve energy.

    One of the major inefficiencies in markets is information - fundamental to the rational actor part of economics, and equally fundamental to capitalism. Government here would be doing its job by creating information like this. (For an analogy, you can use account standards or food labels...)
    You believe that will be the full extent and implementation of the system they develop and fund? Just that, and nothing more? Just that, and nothing else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    You believe that will be the full extent and implementation of the system they develop and fund? Just that, and nothing more? Just that, and nothing else?
    Nope... obviously not. It'd be rather inefficient if it did. The purpose, from what I understand, is load balancing and modernizing the grid. The how of that leads to the smart grid concept.

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