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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I don't believe many academics that study socialism would say our current situation is socialist. It certainly isn't to my understanding.

    This is just what happens when America has to buy-up banks and crap. Americans don't know what to make of it. To any more socialist country, it should appear laughable to call the USA socialist, but Americans are kind of handling it like a drug they've never taken before. They are severely over-reacting while the experienced people laugh at their response to the low dosage.
    I think the point that should be considered is not that we (at present) ARE socialist, but that that is the direction we are headed in at a fairly rapid pace considering the current economic situation and the people we put in power who desire to take advantage of that to push an agenda which has historically been socialist. As far as exactly what type of system we're becoming, I think it's picking at carpet fibers trying to pin down any system as being purely anything. The definitions we've come up with are only useful as generalizations, as every country does things differently. Still, by the classical definitions, America is moving in a national-socialist direction. Big corporations in bed with the government. I would even argue that if we were to continue this direction, we will find ourselves in something like a globalism oriented (instead of state-ism oriented) fascism.

    Not allowing these companies that have grown too large, thereby choking out smaller businesses and other sources of innovation, to fail is something that will prove disastrous. If they aren't allowed to fail as they would naturally, it's like feeding the cancer in capitalism. Naturally, these companies would die off and make room for new and better companies to take there place, allowing for innovation and technological progression. That drive is stifled by keeping failed companies (cancer) alive. In the end all that happens is the government uses these monsters to their own ends through nationalizing them and sticking their fingers in where they don't belong.

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    Socialism does require the destruction of the price system. So in that sense, the US government is doing a great job.
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    History has shown that redistributive economies do not grow and prosper to the same degree that 'investment' and 'get productive' economies do.
    Example: after WWII, germany surpassed Britain's socialist state in a hurry and never looked back (because germany wasnt nearly as redistributive).


    history has also shown that in the US (as far as government financial policy):
    Keynesian economics works during times of deflation and that "Voker" economics works better during stagflation.

    most of our problems today are a combination of "bad rating agencies" + Bush practicing Keynesian economics even when we didnt need to! so now that we actually NEED Keynesian economics, it doesnt work. (its like we've over used antibiotics). Bush ran deficits, never raised interest rates and gave away money like he was a liberal. The problem is that we've overused that method to get ahead in the past 50 years and now that we actaully NEED those antibiotics, we're fucked.

    The 2000's saw that basically, every time we hit a bump, they simply lowered interest rates and tried to pump money into the economy... why did no one ever think to raise rates back up after the bumps passed? (dumbass green span cant hold voker's jock strap)

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    When the government officially goes Europe on us and starts fully nationalizing the banks, I will at that point concede that we have fallen off the cliff of socialism towards the bottomless pit of fascism. There are a number of people in the government saying we need to fully nationalize the banks, and I am telling you, you are a god damn fool if you believe that is the direction we need to go in our economic situation or for our country in general.

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    Americans are amusing with their hysterics.

    On the entire political spectrum the republicans and democrats are both right wing.
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    sheesh humans! for realz

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Schnitzel View Post
    Americans are amusing with their hysterics.

    On the entire political spectrum the republicans and democrats are both right wing.
    That is the dumbest statement I have ever heard. Give me one god damn speck of wisdom or knowledge that supports this claim. It strikes me as being profoundly moronic, but maybe I misunderstood your statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Schnitzel View Post
    Americans are amusing with their hysterics.

    On the entire political spectrum the republicans and democrats are both right wing.
    I would argue that they are both decidedly left leaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    I would argue that they are both decidedly left leaning.
    This you could argue. To even suggest that they are both right wing just fecking blows my mind to the farthest galaxy. Jesus Christ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    This you could argue. To even suggest that they are both right wing just fecking blows my mind to the farthest galaxy. Jesus Christ...
    Yes, it would definitely say something about neo-fascism and european conservatism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    When the government officially goes Europe on us and starts fully nationalizing the banks, I will at that point concede that we have fallen off the cliff of socialism towards the bottomless pit of fascism. There are a number of people in the government saying we need to fully nationalize the banks, and I am telling you, you are a god damn fool if you believe that is the direction we need to go in our economic situation or for our country in general.
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