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    All I hear is all the bum news on the economy and how things are apparently still downward spiraling. I don't understand the magnitude of it though and the likeliness that this will end up as a major catastrophe. Someone fill me in, please. I'd be self-reliable but I really don't know where to start.

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    I think we, as the world's people have a great deal of denial right now. And a hopeful stance is the best we can manage to keep our spirits up. Not a bad thing to do at all - to save space for possibilities.

    Many of us can't conceive of the kinds of wrenching changes which seem headed our way and feel helpless to make any productive change so react in a manner to keep a sense of safety.

    The economy is certainly a looming factor, but from my perspective not the most threatening of the challenges we face. People can still eat and shelter themselves without much money. But many have relied for so long on the convenience of modern society that they lack the basic survival skills.
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    Oh! Congrats on your anniversary post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    I think we, as the world's people have a great deal of denial right now. And a hopeful stance is the best we can manage to keep our spirits up. Not a bad thing to do at all - to save space for possibilities.

    Many of us can't conceive of the kinds of wrenching changes which seem headed our way and feel helpless to make any productive change so react in a manner to keep a sense of safety.

    The economy is certainly a looming factor, but from my perspective not the most threatening of the challenges we face. People can still eat and shelter themselves without much money. But many have relied for so long on the convenience of modern society that they lack the basic survival skills.
    Yes, the common illness presenting itself is people denying the facts for so long because the truth is so scary. The rest who aren't afflicted see the signs and do what they need to prepare, while the rest start to panic when they finally realize what's going on, albeit far too late.

    Beat, there are a multitude of threads here with different perspective on the economy. I, and a handful of others, have been saying that this economy is going on one hell of a ride (depression sorts of levels); my threads and Laterus's threads. It's best not to just listen to what one person says, but to form an informed opinion. Yea, it takes time and effort, as well as a willingness to face the harder truths. If I were to suggest one person to listen to about the economy's direction, who has a lot of material for you to look up, I'd point you to Gerald Celente. Just google him or enter his name on youtube. There are a lot of others who do pure economic predictions and people who analyze the situation as a whole. Keep in mind, however, only TWELVE out of thousands of economists actually predicted what has happened, and of course, they were all called "CRAZY" for seeing the writing on the wall. You've gotta find good credible sources of info.

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    I noticed the decline years ago in many life areas besides the economic one. It's not so much a matter of "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" but just a sensible reasoned expectation and preperation for the worst while leaving space for the best.

    My husband is a city Emergency Management Director. Now this is gonna sound like crap to some people, but truly, if the general public knew the kinds of things those guys are talking about getting ready for it would stand most people's hair on end!

    Ah. The old Boy scout motto "Be prepared" is good advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    The economy is certainly a looming factor, but from my perspective not the most threatening of the challenges we face. People can still eat and shelter themselves without much money. But many have relied for so long on the convenience of modern society that they lack the basic survival skills.
    Yes. Absolutely. And when my brunch group talks about forming an intentional community when the shit hits the fan, I think we are only three-quarters joking when we discuss the "sex for goats" initiative that will follow doomsday.
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    We're already doing it here, Eileen. Making a plan for survival.

    I know of a number of people outside of my social circle who are stockpiling and more than just food.

    When the crap hits the fan people who are hungry are going to come knocking.
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    Locally we are already talking about paring down mail delivery and garbage service. Water prep is under a financial burden. Disease will be a major issue and access to medication will be limited.

    It's pretty staggering when you think of the number of services we take for granted.

    Sex for goats! Hah. Gotta love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    I noticed the decline years ago in many life areas besides the economic one. It's not so much a matter of "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" but just a sensible reasoned expectation and preperation for the worst while leaving space for the best.

    My husband is a city Emergency Management Director. Now this is gonna sound like crap to some people, but truly, if the general public knew the kinds of things those guys are talking about getting ready for it would stand most people's hair on end!

    Ah. The old Boy scout motto "Be prepared" is good advice.

    Can we get some examples?




    I am curious.

    What would you guys name as a main source(s) in this crisis ?

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    I'd say too many people would be the most influencing factor.

    In the case of the economy I think it's reckoned that greed played a part.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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