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    Quote Originally Posted by booyalab View Post
    I'll say it. Unless by "other people playing the race card for him" we mean "people who worked in his campaign and his speechwriters". Then I guess he can barely be held accountable for anything.
    I don't think if he had lost the election he would have cried about the white man keeping him down. But I don't think we disagree.. I wrote extensively (one paragraph) about how he used his race to his advantage within the campaign, the same as any politician uses whatever cards they have to win.
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    Eileen, was his dad an absentee father? That could have something to do with it. I hope it's not because he identifies with White people more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    Eileen, was his dad an absentee father? That could have something to do with it. I hope it's not because he identifies with White people more.
    I think he's pretty good at identifying with a lot of people; that's one of his strengths as a politician.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Dude talked a whole lot more about his white momma than his black daddy.

    That's all I'm saying.

    Maybe it's cynical, but I still think that the fact that he can "pass" as white among certain voters has a lot to do with his wide appeal. Less cynically: also having a lot to do with his wide appeal is that he is awesome.
    I don't recall him playing the race card much during his campaign. I think once he said something like "I don't look like the other presidents". It certainly wasn't a prominent part of his campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    Eileen, was his dad an absentee father?
    I'm not Eileen, but yes, his father was absent. He only met him in person once, for a month or so when he came to visit his family in Hawaii during the holidays. They kept in contact mainly through letters, until his father died while he was a student at Columbia.

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    Instead of bitching about Republicans, I can now bitch about Democrats. A refreshing change, I must say.
    haha, my sentiments exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Dude talked a whole lot more about his white momma than his black daddy.

    That's all I'm saying.

    Maybe it's cynical, but I still think that the fact that he can "pass" as white among certain voters has a lot to do with his wide appeal.
    In what sense do you mean he can "pass as white"? And if your criteria involves anything other than physical appearance, why would cynicism be an issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    Eileen, was his dad an absentee father? That could have something to do with it. I hope it's not because he identifies with White people more.
    He was raised almost entirely by white parental figures and spent most of his childhood in areas without large numbers of black people, American or otherwise (remember, his father is the product of Kenyan rather than black American ancestry). It would be perfectly natural if he identified more with (mid-west) white Americans (and to a lesser extent Indonesians and Americans of Asian or mixed Asian/white descent) than black Americans as a consequence of both familial history, upbringing, and surroundings. So what?

    Its a moot point, though; he is married to and has children with a woman of black American descent, so I'm sure that in his role as husband and father he now identifies at least as well with black Americans as he does with white Americans-as he should, given his changed circumstances.

    Note: In all this, I have in mind an emotional conception of "identification"; for instance, I emotionally "identify" with the American South, but my values and principles (though not my culture) are probably more characteristic of Arizona and other mountain states.

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