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    He removed Bush from the blunt of jokes by us Canadians... blah!

    Other than that, I'm in agreement with Thursday. We'll see if he wins or busts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeUrbane View Post
    You and I are on the exact opposite side of the spectrum, now aren't we? LOL.
    Of course we are, because you believe the propaganda that workplace discrimination is rampant. You're fed statistics like "women are paid 77% of what men are paid" and you eat it up, despite the illegitimacy of those statistics.

    "Equal pay is by no means just a women's issue, it's a family issue," Obama said. "And in this economy, when so many folks are already working harder for less and struggling to get by, the last thing they can afford is losing part of each month's paycheck to simple and plain discrimination."
    This statement is so...so...obtuse. It sounds good to people who don't think. You know what the final result will be? Fewer jobs. Companies don't have an endless supply of money.

    If an employee sues and wins, that's less money to pay everyone else. People will lose jobs.

    If an employee sues and loses, that's still less money to pay everyone else. People will lose jobs.

    Lawyers win.

    I actually don't really have a problem with the law itself. What I have a problem with is peoples' flawed perception of the issue.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    I think we actually don't know how the issue really stands, currently.

    We might never know. Statistics can only show so much...

    It's more symbolic to me, than anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeUrbane View Post
    I think we actually don't know how the issue really stands, currently.

    We might never know. Statistics can only show so much...
    When you compare equivalent groups of men and women, their pay is equal (and sometimes actually greater for women). The problem with most statistics is that they don't account for the fact that women have uteruses (uteri?). The issue is biological, not social. I won't go into any more detail here because there's another thread where I did all this work already (and I'm too lazy to look for it).

    It's more symbolic to me, than anything else.
    That's where Obama excels.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    When you compare equivalent groups of men and women, their pay is the same (and sometimes actually greater for women). The problem with most statistics is that they don't account for the fact that women have uteruses (uteri?). The issue is biological, not social. I won't go into any more detail here because there's another thread where I did all this work already (and I'm too lazy to look for it).
    Ah, yes. I've heard this. I'm not sure if I buy it, yet. I've seen too many statistics, and the opposite side.

    That's where Obama excels.
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    Stop the Presses! FemmeUrbane doesn't buy it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Stop the Presses! FemmeUrbane doesn't buy it!
    Awww, leave her alone. She's one of the few Obama supporters I really like . One of these days I'll get her to see the light .

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    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeUrbane View Post
    Ah, yes. I've heard this. I'm not sure if I buy it, yet. I've seen too many statistics, and the opposite side.
    If you want a great analysis of the issue, read Economic Facts and Fallacies by Thomas Sowell.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Obama has changed my life in the sense that I feel confident that we actually have a very intelligent person as President. Even if I don't agree with what he does, I know he will have reasons for doing what he does- reasons that I can understand. I am happy that we have a man with a high IQ as President.
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