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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    Well, Idk about you, but my liberty will most likely increase because of the new administration.

    Technically, so will yours, but I don't think you swing that way.

    Definitions of liberty-
    • autonomy: immunity from arbitrary exercise of authority: political independence
    • personal freedom from servitude or confinement or oppression


    • Freedom from arbitrary or despotic government, or control.
    • Freedom from external or foreign rule; independence.
    • Freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions.



    It's the freedom from government domestically or from foreign countries to control over you, your rights, and your property/money. The expansion of government (authority) into every corner of your life through the democrats' agenda does not increase your liberty, it devours it and grinds the bones. *shakes head*

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    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    Ordinarily, people cost resources in the same way that factory equipment costs resources, because both create more than they cost in the long run.
    Have you noticed that more and more, robots and machines produce what humans once did?

    Yes, we can be seen as a capital good, but not the most cost efficient.
    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    Much later. We are very far from running out of space.
    People have been predicting that we'll outgrow our own capacity to grow and produce food by about 2050 since the mid 1700's.

    (I just can't remember my example's name from Sociology.)
    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    In any case, what is a resource?
    resource |?r??sôrs; ?r??zôrs; ri?sôrs; ri?zôrs|
    noun
    1 (usu. resources) a stock or supply of money, materials, staff, and other assets that can be drawn on by a person or organization in order to function effectively : local authorities complained that they lacked resources.
    • ( resources) a country's collective means of supporting itself or becoming wealthier, as represented by its reserves of minerals, land, and other assets.
    • ( resources) available assets.


    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    A couple of hundred years ago oil was waste--not a resource. If someone discovered oil on their land they might actually pay for someone else to remove it. Even 50 years ago, a barrel of oil was less of a resource than it is today, that is, more can be achieved today for the same amount of black gooey stuff than before (for example, more goods can be transported over longer distances). It is actually possible for the amount of oil to be decreasing while the amount of oil-resource is increasing.
    Yes, but inevitably, the more people there are who need oil to do something for them, the more oil we need. There is no getting around the fact that it is a finite resource.

    Regardless, oil is but one resource. What about fresh water? Food? Food can't be grown everywhere. Lumber?

    We are still subject to the laws of ecology. The earth does have a human carrying capacity. That we may not be there yet is not a reason to push it, so to speak.
    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    Efficiency through the division of labour and specialisation can further increase the amount of oil-resource available from the same quantity of black gooey stuff.
    This is an endorsement of capitalism, not of population increase.
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    People are a resource, and we can increase the availability of resources by increasing the the population.
    You basically just said that we can increase the availability of resources by increasing a resource.
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    I did not mention the Democrats or Congress. I merely pointed out that in centrally planned economies people cease to be assets, and are either worked until death or forbidden from being born.
    Red herrings. People work their entire lives, in or out of a factory. And nobody is forbidding anybody from being born, nor is anybody saying we should.
    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    (If someone cannot make use of factory equipment profitably, then it makes sense to allow it to depreciate until it is inoperable).
    No, it makes sense to sell it and get one that does the job profitably.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Definitions of liberty-
    • autonomy: immunity from arbitrary exercise of authority: political independence
    • personal freedom from servitude or confinement or oppression


    • Freedom from arbitrary or despotic government, or control.
    • Freedom from external or foreign rule; independence.
    • Freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions.



    It's the freedom from government domestically or from foreign countries to control over you, your rights, and your property/money. The expansion of government (authority) into every corner of your life through the democrats' agenda does not increase your liberty, it devours it and grinds the bones. *shakes head*
    Yeah, I see what you mean. How much higher are your taxes since January 21st? Of the same date in 2007? How much more often are you contacted by the government?

    Also:

    Freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions.

    This is more along the lines of what I was referring to.

    My pursuit of happiness will most likely meet less interference because of this administration!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    UGH, and the "eugenics" thing is the most ridiculously racially charged thing I've ever seen you spout. It's about family planning, not sterilization.
    There is no "FAMILY" planning where the aim of such policies is to distribute contraception to people who are just having sex, and are not actually in any sort of family structure. If people were in a family structure (married), then I doubt they wouldn't be able to afford contraception, and I'm sure they'd be prepared to care for any children they make anyway. That's the entire point that you are missing. Having children out of wedlock is something that is prevalent in poorer communities. Upper class communities don't have that problem to nearly the same degree. I never mentioned race, but unfortunately, the greatest problems lye with the poorer predominantly black and Hispanic communities. It is what it is. I also never said that Pelosi was a eugenicist (she could be for all I know). I only mentioned it in the header as a point brought up in some of the headlines, Didums is the one who went off supporting eugenics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    Yeah, I see what you mean. How much higher are your taxes since January 21st?
    You lose Brendan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    There is no "FAMILY" planning where the aim of such policies is to distribute contraception to people who are just having sex, and are not actually in any sort of family structure. If people were in a family structure (married), then I doubt they wouldn't be able to afford contraception, and I'm sure they'd be prepared to care for any children they make anyway.
    Yeah, that's the point. They're planning not to have a family. LOL.
    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    That's the entire point that you are missing. Having children out of wedlock is something that is prevalent in poorer communities. Upper class communities don't have that problem to nearly the same degree. I never mentioned race, but unfortunately, the greatest problems lye with the poorer predominantly black and Hispanic communities. It is what it is. I also never said that Pelosi was a eugenicist (she could be for all I know). I only mentioned it in the header as a point brought up in some of the headlines, Didums is the one who went off supporting eugenics.
    These are all very inflammatory things to say. And you do use Nancy Pelosi's name in close conjunction with thoughts that include the words eugenics or eugenicist.
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    You lose Brendan.
    Uh, we're discussing something on a forum? Discussions don't usually have winners or losers. Please answer my question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    There is no "FAMILY" planning where the aim of such policies is to distribute contraception to people who are just having sex, and are not actually in any sort of family structure.
    Family planning is better called "birth planning", which this is doing. It offers the ability for those who cannot afford birth control to have birth control. As I said before, this thing fails all three definitions of eugenics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    Yeah, that's the point. They're planning not to have a family. LOL.

    These are all very inflammatory things to say. And you do use Nancy Pelosi's name in close conjunction with thoughts that include the words eugenics or eugenicist.

    Uh, we're discussing something on a forum? Discussions don't usually have winners or losers. Please answer my question?
    If I use her name in thoughts that are close to eugenics in this topic, then it is because what she proposed is close to eugenics! I have been addressing her own initiative, not that she IS a eugenicist or that the agenda itself was purely eugenics. I only started talking about eugenics when Didums brought it into the convo. Heck, if it sounds like eugenics to some of you, then maybe it is close. You decide that one for yourself. But like pt said, I don't think it goes THAT far so as to be definable as such, but the entire premise was stupid to begin with, in a multitude of areas; most of which I've already mentioned.

    And Brendan, what was the purpose of you asking me whether or not our taxes have risen since EIGHT days ago? If it isn't as petty a question as it sounds like, then I'll politely answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    If I use her name in thoughts that are close to eugenics in this topic, then it is because what she proposed is close to eugenics! I have been addressing her own initiative, not that she IS a eugenicist or that the agenda itself was purely eugenics. I only started talking about eugenics when Didums brought it into the convo. Heck, if it sounds like eugenics to some of you, then maybe it is close. You decide that one for yourself. But like pt said, I don't think it goes THAT far so as to be definable as such, but the entire premise was stupid to begin with, in a multitude of areas; most of which I've already mentioned.
    Other people brought it up? You used it in the title of the original post!

    And if it's not eugenics, then why do you keep talking about eugenics and how you haven't been talking about eugenics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    And Brendan, what was the purpose of you asking me whether or not our taxes have risen since EIGHT days ago? If it doesn't sound as petty a question as I think it is, then I'll politely answer.
    Being subject to more taxes leaves one less monetary freedom. And I've also asked how much your taxes have risen since 738 days ago, when the Democrats assumed their majority presence in Congress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    Other people brought it up? You used it in the title of the original post!

    And if it's not eugenics, then why do you keep talking about eugenics?
    Yea, and it was in one of the several articles I posted, hence why I posted multiple articles in the first place, to counterbalance at least a little bit the more extreme viewpoints. I included it in the title because it was part of some of the headlines. As for the rest

    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    Other people brought it up? You used it in the title of the original post!

    And if it's not eugenics, then why do you keep talking about eugenics?
    You answered your own question.

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