User Tag List

First 12345 Last

Results 21 to 30 of 67

  1. #21
    heart on fire
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    8,457

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    If rhetoric is any indication, you have the makings of a great president.
    By their fruits we shall know them.

  2. #22
    & Badger, Ratty and Toad Mole's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    18,536

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    By their fruits we shall know them.
    As you know, I write rhetoric here. Rhetoric is meant to persuade. But unfortunately it has become a perjorative word.

    Rhetoric, though, was part of the Roman Trivium of Grammar, Logic and Rhetoric. And rhetoric was considered the greatest.

    And just look at the Inauguration - did your president choose Grammar or Logic?

    No, he chose Rhetoric.

    So why should we choose anything less?

  3. #23
    Protocol Droid Athenian200's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    MBTI
    INFJ
    Enneagram
    4w5
    Posts
    8,828

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    So why should we choose anything less?
    I wouldn't. I use rhetoric when I can. It can be bad when it's used for bad ends, but I don't think it's inherently bad.

  4. #24
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    MBTI
    INxJ
    Posts
    3,917

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    I thought it was a rhetorical device to show how far we've come. He used terms from the civil rights movement to come full circle and demonstrate the impact of having a black president. I also detected a tongue planted firmly in a cheek. I didn't think he was using those words in an out of touch way.
    I perceived it in the same manner.

  5. #25
    Senior Member INTJMom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Posts
    5,351

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    Today I listened to the Reverend Joseph Lowery give the Benediction at the Presidential Inauguration.

    I was a bit stunned to hear him close the solemn event with these words:

    ". . .we ask you (God) to work for that day when black will not be asked to get back
    When brown can stick around
    When yellow will be mellow
    When the red man can get ahead, man
    And when white will embrace the right."

    There are so many thoughts which come to mind listening to these words that I scarcely know what to say.

    Is he still living in the Sixties? Perhaps we can excuse his lapse of dignity because of his age?

    What are your thoughts on this attempt at humor? Help me get this into some kind of perspective.
    I liked him. I enjoyed his benediction. I thought that part was "cute".
    Even if he was still kinda stuck in the sixties or whatever,
    I felt he was entitled to say whatever he said.

    Even though I was at work, my boss gave me permission to hook up a tv and I got to watch the whole thing. I thought the whole Inauguration was a Great Moment in Black History. I cried when Aretha Franklin sang. I thought President Obama's speech was inspiring... on the level of Ronald Reagan... and right at the end he started to sound like he was "preaching" like Martin Luther King Jr. - you know how it's like talking/proclaiming? - He's a very charismatic speaker. I am hoping he does well.

    (Just for the record, I am a far right conservative.)

  6. #26
    Plumage and Moult proteanmix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Enneagram
    1w2
    Posts
    5,514

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    Today I listened to the Reverend Joseph Lowery give the Benediction at the Presidential Inauguration.

    I was a bit stunned to hear him close the solemn event with these words:

    ". . .we ask you (God) to work for that day when black will not be asked to get back
    When brown can stick around
    When yellow will be mellow
    When the red man can get ahead, man
    And when white will embrace the right."

    There are so many thoughts which come to mind listening to these words that I scarcely know what to say.

    Is he still living in the Sixties? Perhaps we can excuse his lapse of dignity because of his age?

    What are your thoughts on this attempt at humor? Help me get this into some kind of perspective.
    Wow, when he said that the whole crowd erupted in laughter. How do you think this is a lapse in dignity?
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
    Interpersonal Communication Theories and Concepts
    Social Penetration Theory 1
    Social Penetration Theory 2
    Social Penetration Theory 3

  7. #27
    Senior Member Lateralus's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    3w4
    Posts
    6,276

    Default

    Erupted in laughter? Were you at the benediction? I ask because what I saw on television didn't sound like an eruption of laughter to me. Maybe it sounded different in person.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

  8. #28
    Plumage and Moult proteanmix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Enneagram
    1w2
    Posts
    5,514

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Erupted in laughter? Were you at the benediction? I ask because what I saw on television didn't sound like an eruption of laughter to me. Maybe it sounded different in person.
    Yes, I was there. Did you also hear them booing Bush and chanting "Goodbye"?
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
    Interpersonal Communication Theories and Concepts
    Social Penetration Theory 1
    Social Penetration Theory 2
    Social Penetration Theory 3

  9. #29
    Senior Member Lateralus's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    3w4
    Posts
    6,276

    Default

    I'm not sure. I was watching it while doing other things...pageantry bores me.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

  10. #30
    Senior Member INTJMom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Posts
    5,351

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    ...
    Did you also hear them booing Bush and chanting "Goodbye"?
    THAT'S showing poor form.

    But that's today's world.
    Too many people don't practice good manners anymore.

Similar Threads

  1. Benedict 16th and Mea Culpa
    By Mole in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 31
    Last Post: 08-10-2014, 09:54 PM
  2. "Sherlock" Benedict Cumberbatch?
    By Stephano in forum Popular Culture and Type
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 09-22-2013, 04:28 AM
  3. The Resignation of Benedict 16th
    By Mole in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 03-24-2013, 08:23 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO