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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Conspiracy theories are made for people who are unable to consider the real complexity of the world, and especially its arbitrary content.
    They have to find a reason when often there is none.
    Enlighten me how this is true? Is there a difference between a "conspiracy theory" in which people question an unfathomable amount of contradictive propaganda which is supposedly a perfect government truth that's filled with an exceptional number of loopholes vs a fraction of the populace crediting political officials with being honest, not falsifying any of there story (even though evidence/witnesses/scientist, engineers, and professors say otherwise), and telling the truth to the masses? Yea I would say one does sound like a conspiracy theory.

    Hmm, weren't some Germans (less than 1/4 of the population) called "conspiracy buffs" when they accused Hitler of a false flag attack, the Reichstag Fire??? I guess those conspiracy nuts never know anything huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    Sarcasm? I can never tell with you...
    My grandfather would always tell a joke with a straight face. And he was very funny.

    Telling a joke with a straight face is a bit like pulling your leg.

    However if someone pulls your leg, the right thing to do is not to let on, but to pull his leg back.

    And when you pull his leg back the humour is doubled.

    However irony walks a very fine line. It should never be explained but float in the air available to everyone.

    So irony should be free as the air and just as invisible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    No, it's truth disguised as sarcasm. Conspiracy theories are made for people who are unable to consider the real complexity of the world, and especially its arbitrary content.
    They have to find a reason when often there is none.
    It seems like there could also be a flip side to this. By labeling something a conspriacy theory one can effectively shame people into not questioning any aspect of government or public life.

    And once one thinks of that, the obvious better way to shut down questioning and disucssion is to even come with and promote the craziest theories and then label anyone who comes near to question the original event or topic upon which the theory was framed as a "conspriacy nut" and accuse them of being the ones perpetuating the crazy theory.

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    Nope Blackmail is right. Also, a lot of people can't accept that a single man in a book depository with a shitty rifle can kill a beloved president, or that a few nutjobs with planes can bring America to its knees for a day. They need complexity or planned, calculated motive in order to accept the effects.



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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    It seems like there could also be a flip side to this. By labeling something a conspriacy theory one can effectively shame people into not questioning any aspect of government or public life.

    And once one thinks of that, the obvious better way to shut down questioning and disucssion is to even come with and promote the craziest theories and then label anyone who comes near to question the original event or topic upon which the theory was framed as a "conspriacy nut" and accuse them of being the ones perpetuating the crazy theory.
    That's what happens when you have people who negate both facts and history...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    , or that a few nutjobs with planes can bring America to its knees for a day. They need complexity or planned, calculated motive in order to accept the effects.
    http://www.journalof911studies.com/a..._RossReply.pdf

    If you can answer where the unaccounted for energy came from please do, as it stands, jet fuel and the impact from the planes doesn't account for it.
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...ml#post1161526

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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    Nope Blackmail is right. Also, a lot of people can't accept that a single man in a book depository with a shitty rifle can kill a beloved president, or that a few nutjobs with planes can bring America to its knees for a day. They need complexity or planned, calculated motive in order to accept the effects.
    This is a lack of complexity in this line of reasoning as well. Blackmail is totally right, some people do want tidy answers and make complex theories where there is no basis but it doesn't mean conspriacies don't happen.

    History is one long line of officially recognized, throughly researched conspriacies. Human thy name is conspriacy.

    Of course there are people who are uncomfortable with this idea as well and become coincidence theorists who work overtime trying to explain why everything just simply happened without explaination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    It seems like there could also be a flip side to this. By labeling something a conspriacy theory one can effectively shame people into not questioning any aspect of government or public life.

    And once one thinks of that, the obvious better way to shut down questioning and disucssion is to even come with and promote the craziest theories and then label anyone who comes near to question the original event or topic upon which the theory was framed as a "conspriacy nut" and accuse them of being the ones perpetuating the crazy theory.
    You know, if history has shown something, it's that "real" conspiracies and big lies are easy to guess and don't last very long.
    Think to Bush and the so-called WMD in Iraq. Eventually, the truth is quickly discovered.

    The "usual" conspiracy theories aren't like that at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    Nope Blackmail is right. Also, a lot of people can't accept that a single man in a book depository with a shitty rifle can kill a beloved president, or that a few nutjobs with planes can bring America to its knees for a day. They need complexity or planned, calculated motive in order to accept the effects.
    Can you also enlighten me then? I must be missing the part where there is a huge gap between a fraction of people believe something has "much more to the story" due to an enormous amount of facts/witnesses/scientist vs another fraction of people who believe something simply because they are told, disregarding all factual evidence and historical references in relating subjects?

    All also see no difference in comparison to Socrates being killed because his "conspiracy" was disturbing the people (years later they found out he was right but by then it was too late because he was dead), the Americans in Phillipines, Hitler and the Reichstag Fire, the Gulf of Tonkin incident declassified a few years ago PROVING we were never fired upon and entered the Vietnam War for NO reason but for the fun of it. I could go on forever with times where uneducated, illogical people, bought their government's story OVER the facts and time ALWAYS proves this irrational thought process wrong. History records facts. Guess everyone doesn't learn from history...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    You know, if history has shown something, it's that "real" conspiracies and big lies are easy to guess and don't last very long.
    Think to Bush and the so-called WMD in Iraq. Eventually, the truth is quickly discovered.

    The "usual" conspiracy theories aren't like that at all.
    One must be at least ten years away from a historical event before any real historical perspective can be reached and then perspective increases beyond that based on what information comes to the surface when the interested parties start to die off. So in my view anything from the Clinton or Bush era probably isn't the best support for what history can show. (We've not yet reached a very good level of historical perspective, it's mostly all journalism yet)

    Have to reach back further to FDR and see how the impact of setting the nukes off had on Soviet Union was a deciding factor in how the USA brought Japan to defeat.

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