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    I don't believe unions are inherently "evil". Protectionism is what allowed labor unions to acquire a disproportionate amount of power. Without protectionism, foreign companies would have been better able to compete within US borders throughout the 20th century. Domestic companies couldn't have given in to the unrealistic union demands because foreign companies could have sold their goods cheaper within the US. Auto workers would have made less money, but automobiles would have been cheaper. Apply this philosophy across a variety of industries and even though wages are lower, so is the cost of living. And American companies would have less incentive to ship jobs overseas.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    This may also interest you:


    Coming US challenge: a less literate workforce | csmonitor.com

    There's plenty more to this issue.
    indeed, plenty more. American culture is on the downward. Look at what crap comes out on television, the cinemas, popular music... The old blood is jsut as well becoming less literate as the new blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Mexicans came to the US because our economy was booming and business owners were willing to hire them. I fail to see how this could bring the country down.
    I think Peguy was talking about the white race...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post


    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../print/mx.html

    Population in Mexico, Mexico Population

    Population - Mexico


    We're not going to let tens of millions of refuges enter the country. And that's a COMPLETELY different issue from immigration, which is what I was responding to (Peguy's comment).
    You are right. For some reason I remembered that population of Mexico is around 140-150 million. But it 110 million.

    But still, I see that you got my main point, which is that you can't let more then 20 million mexicans over in one night in the US and expect things to solve themselfs.

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    And this-

    Over 200 Americans killed in Mexico since '04 - Americas- msnbc.com

    Over 200 Americans killed in Mexico since '04
    State Dept.: More lives lost than in any other country outside combat zones


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    HOUSTON - More than 200 American citizens have been killed since 2004 in Mexico's escalating wave of violence, amounting to the highest number of unnatural deaths in any foreign country outside military combat zones, according to the U.S. State Department.

    The deaths included a 22-year-old Houston man and his 16-year-old friend who were hauled out of a minivan and shot execution style. They also included a 65-year-old nurse from Brownsville found floating in the Rio Grande after visiting a Mexican beauty salon and a retiree stabbed to death while camping on a Baja beach, reported the Houston Chronicle in a story published Sunday, which examined hundreds of records related to the deaths.

    The State Department tracks most American homicides abroad but releases few details about the deaths. Most, however, occurred in border cities, including Tijuana, Ciudad Juarez and Nuevo Laredo, where violence has spiked with drug cartel feuds in recent years.

    The Chronicle analysis showed some American homicide victims were involved in organized crime. At least two dozen American victims were labeled as cartel hitmen, drug dealers, smugglers or gang members. Others were drug users or wanted for crimes in the United States.

    But in at least 70 other cases, the Americans were killed in Mexico while there on seemingly innocent business: visiting family, vacationing or living and working there.

    Mexican Congressman Juan Francisco Rivera Bedoya of Nuevo Leon said he believes most American victims get killed after crossing the border for illegal activities or venturing into unsafe areas.

    "Tourists visiting cathedrals, museums and other cultural centers are not at risk," he said.

    'Travel alerts' for border communities
    The State Department last year issued "travel alerts" for several border communities, warning that dozens of U.S. citizens had been kidnapped or killed in Tijuana, though it gave no details.

    "We're not trying to scare anybody off, but we sure as heck want people to be aware of the dangerous conditions that they might encounter in certain parts of the country," said former U.S. Ambassador to Mexico Tony Garza in an interview before he left his post.

    Meanwhile, Mexico said over the weekend that 100 more federal police officers had been assigned to the capital's airport following a series of assaults on travelers who exchanged money.

    Five of the victims have been foreigners, including a French scientist who was killed.

    Federal Police official Brig. Gen. Alfredo Fregoso said the reinforcement brings to 500 the number of federal officers patrolling the airport.

    Prosecutors say at least 18 people who were recently robbed outside the airport were apparently followed after exchanging money inside.

    The French scientist was shot in the head last month after assailants intercepted his car and stole $6,336.

    Fregoso's announcement Saturday came a day after a Colombian man became the 18th reported victim.

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    Gruesome deaths
    Across Mexico, more than 5,000 people were killed last year, authorities report. Some of the deaths of police and other public officials have been public and gruesome, with bodies posed in public places.

    The Chronicle found that among the American deaths, at least 40 were killed and had their bodies dumped in the methods favored by drug cartels.

    Few of the killers are caught.

    Only about 20 percent of homicides in Mexico result in arrests, the Chronicle found in its analysis of data from the Citizens' Safety Institute. The Mexico City-based nonprofit surveys prosecutors across Mexico.

    Records from the prosecutor in Baja California Norte, home to Tijuana, show none of the cases from 2004 to 2006 have been closed. More than 90 Americans have been killed in the state south of San Diego since 2003.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Maybe it's time to just declare war on Mexico. If only Bush was still around!
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Maybe it's time to just declare war on Mexico. If only Bush was still around!
    Seriously.. It's getting to be like having Iraq next door...

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    Just do what they suggested in Coneheads. Put explosive collars on all the Mexicans and when they cross....

    PS I kid.

    However we will see an armed border here shortly like you see in many other countries. The era of open borders is over.

    I guess in the long run is if the U.S. will just absorb Mexico if it truly becomes defunct. Maybe like Puerto Rico ehehe (no comment)...

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    I was reading some awfully scary statistics today. The number one kidnapping capital in THE WORLD is Mexico City. Guess what number two is! .... Phoenix, AZ, at the heart of the homeland illegal immigration mess. I'm telling you guys, with an impending economic/government collapse in Mexico, we are going to have one hell of a chaotic dissension in this country spurred not only by people coming across our borders, but people in border towns having enough with the government's handling of the situation. I would also say it's no coincidence that some weeks ago it was revealed in the news that the administration had just passed a bill that included the construction of containment camps specifically for illegal immigrants (and I know some people on this board mentioned it as well). Add that to all the government statements as of late about the EXPECTATION that Mexico may collapse, and we have a very unnerving potential situation.

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