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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    Socialists believe that business men are killable? I didn't remember that belief.

    No, he just has trouble exporting individuals from "business." We've argued the "evil salesman" thing too. Some people in business are out there trying to rip off other people. Most people are just trying to get through life.

    Working and middle class people may just be trying to get through life. Wealthy people are never just trying to get through life, they're trying to die with the most toys so that they win.

    Do you honestly think I don't realize that people are individuals? Please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    Socialists believe that business men are killable? I didn't remember that belief.

    No, he just has trouble exporting individuals from "business." We've argued the "evil salesman" thing too. Some people in business are out there trying to rip off other people. Most people are just trying to get through life.
    You definie socialist by someone who has trouble exporting individuals from business?

    I define a serious wealthy capitalist in much a similar manner. Except instead of customers and employees as human beings, they see them as dollar signs. And if they're far right, all the worse, because then they think that the people who are on welfare or disability deserve to die, apparently.

    Don't accuse me of generalizing when you're generalizing. The question asked for such hasty value judgements - you can't determine my entire views on life or my entire political philosophy upon a glib answer to what you admitted yourself was a lame question.

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    What makes someone wealthy? What arbitrary dollar amount or standard of living makes someone be above "getting through life"? Money doesn't make anyone happy. Some people have more but it doesn't make them inherently evil, happy or grasping for more.

    Incidentally, I said that "he has trouble exporting individuals from business" (my INFP friend)

    eta: I also said no he isnt socialist. So why would something I said about him be what a socialist believes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    What makes someone wealthy? What arbitrary dollar amount or standard of living makes someone be above "getting through life"? Money doesn't make anyone happy. Some people have more but it doesn't make them inherently evil, happy or grasping for more.

    Incidentally, I said that "he has trouble exporting individuals from business" (my INFP friend)

    eta: I also said no he isnt socialist. So why would something I said about him be what a socialist believes?
    To answer your first question, no one *needs* over 2 million dollars a year. There's clearly a standard of living that's well above "getting through life" and it often involves hoarding resources and using others. There isn't an infinite amount of money in the world. The recent economic crash reminded Americans of just that.

    Well, your friend is your friend, and he's entitled to his beliefs, just as you and I both are. I apologize for misunderstanding you in this manner.

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    Aw thanks, I'm glad I didn't upset you past the NF .

    I like hearing other people's opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    For me, the good of the many outweighs the good of one - especially if that one is a wealthy businessman. The question would have been a lot more difficult for me if that one person were anyone else.

    How do I determine human worth? I compare the value of their existence as a living creature (I don't even like to kill bugs, honestly) with their potential danger to others.
    I'm tempted to push Marmalade.sunrise over the bridge...to save the lives of others, of course. After all, socialists represent a huge potential danger to others...

    Edit: Is this the same guy who goes by just "Marmalade" at INFPgc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Working and middle class people may just be trying to get through life. Wealthy people are never just trying to get through life, they're trying to die with the most toys so that they win.


    Have you ever read anything (other than tabloid articles) about wealthy individuals like John D Rockefeller?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    I'm tempted to push Marmalade.sunrise over the bridge...to save the lives of others, of course. After all, socialists represent a huge potential danger to others...

    Edit: Is this the same guy who goes by just "Marmalade" at INFPgc?
    I'm not a guy, I've never been on INFP logic, and to say that you would push me (a real person, not a completely fictitious and abstract concept from a silly philosophical problem) off of a bridge is totally uncalled for.:steam:

    Socialists represent a huge potential danger to others? Ah, yes, all of those dangerous French people, I'm so afriad of them. The Swiss, too, and the Canadians. What are you even talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post


    Have you ever read anything (other than tabloid articles) about wealthy individuals like John D Rockefeller?
    yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Edit: Is this the same guy who goes by just "Marmalade" at INFPgc?
    No, he's known as just marmalade here too. Of course that doesn't rule out the possibility of a sock puppet, but that would just be too obvious!

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Ah, yes, all of those dangerous French people
    Yes exactly, damn it Blackmail!

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