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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilen View Post
    Still, you failed to get it.
    No, I recognized your sarcasm, and the point you attempted to make.

    I just don't think you managed either very well, and wanted to point that out. I'll try to be less subtle in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post

    Jews were slaughtered by Arab invaders.

    They came back nonetheless.

    Jews were slaughtered by Seljuq Turks (entire Jewish population wiped out).

    They came back nonetheless.

    Jews were slaughtered by Christian crusaders (the city they conquered was predominantly Jewish).

    They came back nonetheless.

    Saladin only slaughtered the Jewish population of the cities he "liberated" (again, they were entirely wiped out).

    Jews came back nonetheless.
    By the 17th century, thanks to Sabbatai followers, Jerusalem was again predominatly populated by Jews.

    Jews were slaughtered/deported or forced to convert by Ottomans (1666).

    They came back nonetheless...

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    And so on, and so on...
    From here on, the middle-eastern Christians received the exact same treatment as Jews, the difference is we don't keep score or hold historical idealistic, nationalistic grudges.

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    Will the U.S. get involved?

    Obama could inherit Gaza crisis - CNN.com

    (CNN) -- As the violence rages in Gaza, President Bush is putting the blame squarely on Hamas, while President-elect Barack Obama is keeping a low profile and sticking by his belief that "there is only one president at a time."

    Barack Obama reiterated his support for Israel when he visited Sderot in July.

    But with less than a month until the inauguration, the president-elect could inherit an international crisis -- one he will not be able to defer to Bush.

    Israeli airstrikes pummeled Gaza for a third day Monday as part of what Israel's defense minister called "an all-out war" with Hamas. Israel says the attacks are a response to escalating rocket attacks against southern Israel.

    Israel has tanks on the border and has approved the call-up of 2,000 reservists, but there was no indication of a Israeli ground incursion Monday. However, Israeli politicians say that all options are on the table.

    When Obama visited war-torn Sderot in July, he declared his unequivocal support for Israel.

    "I'm here to say that -- as an American and as a friend of Israel -- that we stand with the people of Sderot and with all the people of Israel," he said.

    Obama said that it is in the interest of Israel's security to arrive at a lasting peace with the Palestinians. He also said that Israel had a right to defend itself against rocket attacks from Hamas, the Palestinian militant group that rules Gaza.

    Asked Sunday if a land invasion would change how the Obama administration views Israel, Obama's senior adviser yielded to Bush.

    "The fact is that there is only one president at a time. There's only one president who can speak for America at a time. And that president now is George Bush," David Axelrod said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

    The president-elect is said to be monitoring the situation closely. He has been in contact with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and Hillary Clinton, the incoming secretary of state.

    Democratic strategist and CNN contributor Hilary Rosen said that the Obama administration probably will now put the situation on the "front burner."

    "They've got a big job ahead of them to stay firm for Israel, but make the Palestinians trust them enough to come to the table," she said.

    Obama has pledged to make Middle East peace a priority from the beginning of his presidency. Arabs are calling for a more even-handed approach than the Bush administration, but Israel is expecting Obama to stay true to the pro-Israel posture he showed during the campaign.

    Obama also has said he believes that Jerusalem will be the capital of Israel, remarks that have caused concern among some Palestinian leaders.

    Earlier in the summer, his campaign spent several days clarifying his position after he said in a speech that Jerusalem should not be divided. Obama said he used "poor phrasing."

    "The point we were simply making was, is that we don't want barbed wire running through Jerusalem ... that it is possible for us to create a Jerusalem that is cohesive and coherent," he said.

    Obama said it was in the interest of Israel's security to arrive at a lasting peace with the Palestinians.

    "I think if you look at the signals President-elect Barack Obama put forward in the campaign, he was talking about defending Israel. I think you are going to see a lot of caution as they move forward strategically," said Leslie Sanchez, a Republican strategist and CNN contributor.

    Asked Sunday if the Obama administration would be as supportive of Israel as the Bush administration has been, Axelrod said the president-elect would "honor" what he sees as "the special relationship between the United States and Israel."

    "But he will do so in a way that will promote the cause of peace, and work closely with the Israelis and the Palestinians on that -- toward that objective," he said.

    But one analyst of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict cautioned against putting "dangerously high" expectations on the incoming administration.

    "I think the tone of American politics will change: You're going to get a serious effort on behalf of the new administration," said Aaron David Miller, a public policy scholar at the Washington-based Woodrow Wilson International Center and a former adviser to six secretaries of state on Arab-Israeli relations.

    But, he told CNN, "the fact is that unless the Israelis and Palestinians are prepared -- which they're not right now -- to take the political decisions required to overcome the gaps and to sell an agreement to their respective constituents, there's not much a new president, no matter how bold or charismatic he may be, is going to be able to do about that."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    They came back nonetheless...

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    And so on, and so on...
    insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    No, I recognized your sarcasm, and the point you attempted to make.

    I just don't think you managed either very well, and wanted to point that out. I'll try to be less subtle in future.
    By embracing the ridiculous claim, you totally owned me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    Will the U.S. get involved?

    Obama could inherit Gaza crisis - CNN.com
    We have other things to worry about. Where is the UN? Do they do anything? Just dissolve them and get it over with. Ignoring Darfur, Rwanda, other things, it's ridiculous.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    Where is the UN? Do they do anything?
    Last time they did anything, they created a Jewish state in the middle-east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilen View Post
    Last time they did anything, they created a Jewish state in the middle-east.
    Haha! Well played.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilen View Post
    From here on, the middle-eastern Christians received the exact same treatment as Jews, the difference is we don't keep score or hold historical idealistic, nationalistic grudges.
    I'm starting to suspect that your intention is to brilliantly satirise the view you feign to espouse.

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    UN resolutions concerning Israel are actually hilarious. All they do is condemn, deplore and demand:

    List of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    All very useful.

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