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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    I don't know what you're talking about. Zionism?

    I do know a larger structure used to exist here about 2000 years ago:

    Prior to teh british mandates and league of nations tralala which created israel in the 20s, when was the last time a significant jewish population lived in the area? I mean, that region was ottoman empire territory for hundreds of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilen View Post
    2000 years, if that's how far back we need to go to find a justification for European Jews to create a state in the middle east.
    If that's how far back we're going then the Jews have as much right to be there as the Palestinians. Or was that not the point you intended to make?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dga View Post
    Prior to teh british mandates and league of nations tralala which created israel in the 20s, when was the last time a significant jewish population lived in the area? I mean, that region was ottoman empire territory for hundreds of years.
    Yep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dga View Post
    Prior to teh british mandates and league of nations tralala which created israel in the 20s, when was the last time a significant jewish population lived in the area? I mean, that region was ottoman empire territory for hundreds of years.
    There have 'always' been a Jewish community in the middle east, just like there's in Europe. All near-easter countries are constituted of a multitude of religious communities and ethnicities.

    The problem started with the European Jews' intent to create a Jewish state in the middle east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    If that's how far back we're going then the Jews have as much right to be there as the Palestinians. Or was that not the point you intended to make?
    It was sarcasm. The point I made was utterly ridiculous.

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    Well, there certainly isn't going to be a chance for peace any time soon, if at all.

    Israel calls Gaza assault 'war to the bitter end' - Yahoo! News

    Hopefully this time around there will actually be conclusive results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilen View Post
    It was sarcasm. The point I made was utterly ridiculous.
    You're making this too easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    You're making this too easy.
    I say we only go back to last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    You're making this too easy.
    Still, you failed to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dga View Post
    Prior to teh british mandates and league of nations tralala which created israel in the 20s, when was the last time a significant jewish population lived in the area? I mean, that region was ottoman empire territory for hundreds of years.
    Jews were slaughtered and deported by Romans armies.

    They came back nonetheless and Jerusalem was (again) predominantly Jewish around the 4th century AD.

    Jews were slaughtered by Byzantine zealots.

    They came back in Jerusalem nonetheless.

    Jews were slaughtered by Arab invaders.

    They came back nonetheless.

    Jews were slaughtered by Seljuq Turks (entire Jewish population wiped out).

    They came back nonetheless.

    Jews were slaughtered by Christian crusaders (the city they conquered was predominantly Jewish, but they put christian settlers in abandoned homes).

    They came back nonetheless.

    Saladin only slaughtered the Jewish population of the cities he "liberated" (again, they were entirely wiped out).

    Jews came back nonetheless.
    By the 17th century, thanks to Sabbatai followers, Jerusalem was again predominatly populated by Jews.

    Jews were slaughtered/deported or forced to convert by Ottomans (1666).

    They came back nonetheless...

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