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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    When law is broken, the matter is investigated by the law enforcement.

    But censorship (which I assume you were alluding to) is considered "prior restraint", which is a whole different animal.
    I'm not a lawyer but I think the point of some laws is to discourage or "restrain" people from committing the offense in the first place.



    Quote Originally Posted by AllAboutSoul View Post
    Ha! I don't trust them with my freedom any farther than I can see them. Slippery slope.
    Don't forget that we live in a democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    I'm not a lawyer but I think the point of some laws is to discourage or "restrain" people from committing the offense in the first place.





    Don't forget that we live in a democracy.
    Which is eroding as we speak if you haven't noticed. Your whole attitude of "let the government do it" is an undermining factor in democracy, as history shows us time and time again that governments that grow too large begin to corrode the rights of its people and begin to fester in corruption.

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    Child pornography is censored (and its producers prosecuted) online because it's illegal, in the real world. In no way does the prosecution of online child pornographers necessarily legitimize government censorship or interference in non-illegal online activites.

    Don't forget that we live in a democracy.
    And don't forget that in a democracy, the people rule. The government exists at our behest. I agree with a poster above in that I think the whole 'let the government take care of it, they know best' sentiment is a dangerous and ultimately self-destructive impulse in a democracy. THEY don't know best. WE know best. And we need to be ever-vigilant in reminding them of this fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Which is eroding as we speak if you haven't noticed.
    People have always been saying this. But America, over the years, has gradually become more free and civil liberties have largely been expanding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    Child pornography is censored (and its producers prosecuted) online because it's illegal, in the real world. In no way does the prosecution of online child pornographers necessarily legitimize government censorship or interference in non-illegal online activites.
    The internet has tons of content that shows and discusses real world illegal activity. You can go to Youtube now and see people doing illegal drugs, for example. Child pornography, because of it's severity, is considered a special case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    People have always been saying this. But America, over the years, has gradually become more free and civil liberties have largely been expanding.
    1. I didn't say civil liberties and freedom, I was specifically talking about the integrity of the democratic process. Recent events should make that clear enough, and if it doesn't, then you need to clean your glasses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    1. I didn't say civil liberties and freedom, I was specifically talking about the integrity of the democratic process. Recent events should make that clear enough, and if it doesn't, then you need to clean your glasses.
    Recent events? You would have to be ignoring 90% of American history to think anything special is happening now concerning the eroding of democracy.

    Take "stealing elections" for example, this has been going on since the beginning. Could you name anything that makes recent events dramatically worse than the rest of American government history?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Recent events? You would have to be ignoring 90% of American history to think anything special is happening now concerning the eroding of democracy.

    Take "stealing elections" for example, this has been going on since the beginning. Could you name anything that makes recent events dramatically worse than the rest of American government history?
    Did I say it was DRAMATICALLY worse than any given point in history? No, I didn't. What I said and implied is that recent events should slap you upside the head and make you realize that our democracy, the ability of the people to exercise their will and control over the government, is slipping. What did we just have with the auto bailout? We had the house to vote and reject the notion of bailing out these companies. We also had a large segment of the American population against such a bailout, against having our money being used to save companies that could still survive under bankruptcy, and against us taking part ownership in those companies. But alas, our elected leaders decide not to hear the voices of the public, and when they do, we then have the top seat in our government, the presidency, overrule our representatives to dole out taxpayer money. THAT is what I mean by the undermining of our democracy, and very much the constitution that gives it life. THIS has been going on for many years, of course, but the recent crisis has shown just how out of touch those we elect have become with the will of the public who elected them, and just how far they are willing to go to undermine that will, the laws, and constitution itself. This should be blatantly obvious for PEOPLE WHO PAY ATTENTION.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Did I say it was DRAMATICALLY worse than any given point in history? No, I didn't. What I said and implied is that recent events should slap you upside the head and make you realize that our democracy, the ability of the people to exercise their will and control over the government, is slipping. What did we just have with the auto bailout? We had the house to vote and reject the notion of bailing out these companies. We also had a large segment of the American population against such a bailout, against having our money being used to save companies that could still survive under bankruptcy, and against us taking part ownership in those companies. But alas, our elected leaders decide not to hear the voices of the public, and when they do, we then have the top seat in our government, the presidency, overrule our representatives to dole out taxpayer money. THAT is what I mean by the undermining of our democracy, and very much the constitution that gives it life. THIS has been going on for many years, of course, but the recent crisis has shown just how out of touch those we elect have become with the will of the public who elected them, and just how far they are willing to go to undermine that will, the laws, and constitution itself. This should be blatantly obvious for PEOPLE WHO PAY ATTENTION.
    If anything, America is more democratic and representative of the public now than it has ever been. Women and black people coudn't even vote not that long ago. It's facts like these that make the argument that our democracy is eroding seem ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    If anything, America is more democratic and representative of the public now than it has ever been. Women and black people coudn't even vote not that long ago. It's facts like these that make the argument that our democracy is eroding seem ridiculous.
    I find it fascinating how you keep holding on to your arguments for the sake of being right, no matter how tangential they are. You are mixing the idea of CIVIL LIBERTIES (the right for women and blacks to vote) with the premise of a correctly functioning democratic republic. Arguing that our freedoms are eroding is not the same as arguing that our constitutional democratic process and the applied functioning of government, representative of its people, is and has been withering. They are VERY different arguments, so please don't confuse yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    I find it fascinating how you keep holding on to your arguments for the sake of being right, no matter how tangential they are. You are mixing the idea of CIVIL LIBERTIES (the right for women and blacks to vote) with the premise of a correctly functioning democratic republic. Arguing that our freedoms are eroding is not the same as arguing that our constitutional democratic process and the applied functioning of government, representative of its people, is and has been withering. They are VERY different arguments, so please don't confuse yourself.
    Now if the majority of the people can't even vote, how democratic is that? Earlier, you made the case that we are losing our democracy because most people didn't want the bailout, but the government did it anyway. That's nothing compared to how unrepresentative America was not that long ago.

    You have to look at these things in a larger context, because you run the risk of being seen as a false alarmist, which erodes credibility.

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