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    Please tell me you guys are kidding. Are you seriously going from "I want to be able to do and say whatever I want on the internet!" to "I don't think the government will do a good enough job censoring"?

    Also, I think websites are fined or shut down or something for having child pornography. This is govt law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    Why is it more offensive when the government censors?
    I wonder how many sensors (particularly SJ's) are in favor of such CENSORship. I mean, I know they like to adhere to such rules and regulations, but do most of them have the ability to see the dangers in these methods of limitation, or does it seriously not register?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    Also, I think websites are fined or shut down or something for having child pornography. This is govt law.
    Yeah I agree, there should be such laws. There's always exceptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    I wonder how many sensors (particularly SJ's) are in favor of such CENSORship. I mean, I know they like to adhere to such rules and regulations, but do most of them have the ability to see the dangers in such things, or does it seriously not register?
    Of course we see the potential dangers in it. It's stereotype to think that SJ's blindly follow rules.

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    I only know that I hate it when Alex Jones is on my side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    Of course we see the potential dangers in it. It's stereotype to think that SJ's blindly follow rules.
    Ok. So what makes you think taking the internet and completely transforming it into say... a form where its completely regulated and watched by government and/or private entities, would be of benefit to a free society? It'd be comparable to you in real life with your right to walk where you please except perhaps on a few private properties; until suddenly the government comes in and mandates what sidewalks you can walk on, what stores and businesses you may visit, whose house you may visit, who may own a house in your neighborhood, who may own a business in your neighborhood, and even what they are allowed to have in those houses and businesses. That's the level of control we're talking about, the type of control that some want to apply to the internet. The internet is a system of information sharing not unlike the realm of the real world. The internet gives us as much (and sometimes more) freedom as we have in the real world. Having that taken away by the government would be the same as the example I gave above, and would set back the progression of this modern and futuristic society, or severely alter its direction in the very least. In a world where technology will become ever more prevalent and integrated in the smallest details of our lives, simultaneously increasing the power of surveillance and control over the aspects of society touched by its progression, we have to be extremely careful in letting such technologies progress in the direction of allowing free will and free development. The alternative could be an over controlled society, lacking many factors that allow individuals, and society as a whole, to evolve to their full potential.

    As for Alex Jones, I trust SOME of what he says. He embellishes too much and exaggerates and gets things a bit twisted, but the general message he tries to convey is sound. He's definitely on point when it comes to a lot of recent events (the past few years, economic crisis included).

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    Risen, I said I think there should be SOME regulation. I don't think there is any need to fear that there would be extreme regulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    Please tell me you guys are kidding. Are you seriously going from "I want to be able to do and say whatever I want on the internet!" to "I don't think the government will do a good enough job censoring"?

    Also, I think websites are fined or shut down or something for having child pornography. This is govt law.
    No, no... we're saying they'll do TOO good a job censoring. You know, like the Soviet Union, where the citizens never knew anything their government was doing because the government controlled the media?

    Child pornography is an evil, yes. But the problem is that if the government sets things up so they have enough control to regulate THAT to a greater extent than they already do (which is shutting down the websites when they find them), they'll have enough control to regulate whatever else they want, too.

    Do I think that websites found violating the law should be shut down via due process of law (which I believe they are for the most part)? Yes. Do I think that the infrastructure should be regulated in such a way that everything on the Internet has to be filtered and approved before it can go on the Internet, or so that such websites can't be created? Absolutely not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    The most obvious being when the law is broken.
    When law is broken, the matter is investigated by the law enforcement.

    But censorship (which I assume you were alluding to) is considered "prior restraint", which is a whole different animal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    Risen, I said I think there should be SOME regulation. I don't think there is any need to fear that there would be extreme regulation.
    Ha! I don't trust them with my freedom any farther than I can see them. Slippery slope.
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