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    Obama apparently supports reinstating net neutrality in his first year. Hopefully he'll get this done.

    He's already assigned several net neutrality proponents to key positions in his cabinet.

    All good news for the anti-censorship and net neutrality crowd.

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    This forum is regulated by the moderators/admins. That means we are censored. If this forum weren't regulated think about what would happen to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    This forum is regulated by the moderators/admins. That means we are censored. If this forum weren't regulated think about what would happen to it?
    Yeah it is, but on a small private level, by the people who run the site. The government isn't coming in and telling us what not to say, and it's that larger scale that net neutrality proponents are concerned with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Yeah it is, but on a small private level, by the people who run the site. The government isn't coming in and telling us what not to say, and it's that larger scale that net neutrality proponents are concerned with.
    Why is it more offensive when the government censors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    This forum is regulated by the moderators/admins. That means we are censored. If this forum weren't regulated think about what would happen to it?
    That's a valid point, but I don't think you can compare the two. Mainly because... well, if you don't like the way one group of moderators run their forum, you can just go to another forum. If the government regulates the Internet, you can't just go to another Internet if you don't like their policies. You're stuck.

    I believe in leaving regulation as the responsibility of those who own websites. I don't really want everything subject to review and approval by one standard, one set of rules. Because it leaves no place for those who don't agree with those standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Yeah it is, but on a small private level, by the people who run the site. The government isn't coming in and telling us what not to say, and it's that larger scale that net neutrality proponents are concerned with.
    Yep, that's a big problem with most federal regulation. It's too general. The best they can hope to do is come up with one-size-fits-all solution that's far from perfect, and often detrimental.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    Why is it more offensive when the government censors?
    Because they're so far removed from the situation. Take this message board for instance, do you think some government bureaucrat could do a better job of "regulating" this board than the madmins we have right now?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    Why is it more offensive when the government censors?
    Because it's just website ownership, where as with government censors, they would be interfering with the actual free-use of networks, a neutral network has to be one that is free of restriction on data, but the actual site owners can do what they want with the webspace they buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    Why is it more offensive when the government censors?
    Because when the government creates laws, they in effect create big blunt sticks that don't care about the specifics and only address situations in terms of black and white. (to paraphrase Neil Gaiman a bit). Actually. Let me link that blog entry, because I feel it is very pertinent to the discussion. Granted, the entry was about why you should support freedom of speech even when the content being protected offends you, but it's still in the same realm.

    "Why defend freedom of icky speech?"
    "I took the one less traveled by,
    And that has made all the difference."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrielle View Post
    Because when the government creates laws, they in effect create big blunt sticks that don't care about the specifics and only address situations in terms of black and white. (to paraphrase Neil Gaiman a bit).
    Which is why on the top levels they create committees and sub-committees and hire researchers and scientists..etc. to get down to specifics. Sometimes it works (getting to the moon, winning wars, running a successful country for all these years...) and sometimes in doesn't (blah blah....).

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