User Tag List

123 Last

Results 1 to 10 of 47

  1. #1
    Oberon
    Guest

    Default Liberals are stingier, study finds


  2. #2
    @.~*virinaĉo*~.@ Totenkindly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    MBTI
    FREE
    Enneagram
    594 sx/sp
    Socionics
    LII Ne
    Posts
    42,333

    Default

    Yay! We're back to the stingy liberals again!
    (Didn't this come up last Christmas too?)
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

    “Pleasure to me is wonder—the unexplored, the unexpected, the thing that is hidden and the changeless thing that lurks behind superficial mutability. To trace the remote in the immediate; the eternal in the ephemeral; the past in the present; the infinite in the finite; these are to me the springs of delight and beauty.” ~ H.P. Lovecraft

  3. #3
    Habitual Fi LineStepper JocktheMotie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    8,193

    Default

    I find this very funny.



  4. #4
    Oberon
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Yay! We're back to the stingy liberals again!
    (Didn't this come up last Christmas too?)
    Dunno 'bout that.

    I find it worth a giggle that libs have this reputation of being very generous, only with other people's money.

  5. #5
    Senior Member Misty_Mountain_Rose's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    4w5
    Posts
    1,123

    Default

    Well shoot, why give away my money when I can give away someone elses? Thats just plain common sense...

    /snicker
    Embrace the possibilities.

  6. #6
    Senior Member kuranes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    MBTI
    XNXP
    Posts
    1,065

    Default

    "Page load error" - broken link for me.
    * shakes head ruefully *
    "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
    Reichsfuhrer Herman Goering at the Nuremburg trials.

  7. #7
    Oberon
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by kuranes View Post
    "Page load error" - broken link for me.
    * shakes head ruefully *
    We can't have that, now.

    Here you go:

    The survey says ... liberals are stingier
    By Nicholas Kristof

    This holiday season is a time to examine who's been naughty and who's been nice, but I'm unhappy with my findings. The problem is this: We liberals are personally stingy.

    Liberals show tremendous compassion in pushing for generous government spending to help the neediest people at home and abroad. Yet, when it comes to individual contributions to charitable causes, liberals are cheapskates.

    Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, "Who Really Cares," cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: Average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.

    Other research has reached similar conclusions. The "generosity index" from the Catalogue for Philanthropy typically finds that red states are the most likely to give to nonprofits, while Northeastern states are least likely to do so.

    The upshot is that Democrats, who speak passionately about the hungry and homeless, personally fork over less money to charity than Republicans the ones who try to cut health insurance for children.

    "When I started doing research on charity," Brooks wrote, "I expected to find that political liberals who, I believed, genuinely cared more about others than conservatives did would turn out to be the most privately charitable people. So when my early findings led me to the opposite conclusion, I assumed I had made some sort of technical error. I re-ran analyses. I got new data. Nothing worked. In the end, I had no option but to change my views."

    Something similar is true internationally. European countries seem to show more compassion than the United States in providing safety nets for the poor, and they give far more humanitarian foreign aid per capita than the United States does. But as individuals, Europeans are far less charitable than Americans.

    Americans give sums to charity equivalent to 1.67 percent of GNP, according to a terrific new book, "Philanthrocapitalism," by Matthew Bishop and Michael Green. The British are second, with 0.73 percent, while the stingiest people on the list are the French, at 0.14 percent.

    (Looking away from politics, there's evidence that one of the most generous groups in the United States is gays. Researchers believe that is because they are less likely to have rapacious heirs pushing to keep wealth in the family.)

    When liberals see the data on giving, they tend to protest that conservatives look good only because they shower dollars on churches that a fair amount of that money isn't helping the poor but simply constructing lavish spires.

    It's true that religion is the essential reason conservatives give more, and religious liberals are as generous as religious conservatives. Among the stingiest of the stingy are secular conservatives.

    According to Google's figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.

    In any case, if conservative donations often end up building extravagant churches, liberal donations frequently sustain art museums, symphonies, schools and universities that cater to the well-off. (It's great to support the arts and education, but they're not the same as charity for the needy. And some research suggests that donations to education actually increase inequality, because they go mostly to elite institutions attended by the wealthy.)

    Conservatives also appear to be more generous than liberals in nonfinancial ways. People in red states are considerably more likely to volunteer for good causes, and conservatives give blood more often. If liberals and moderates gave blood as often as conservatives, Brooks said, the U.S. blood supply would increase by 45 percent.

    So, you've guessed it! This column is a transparent attempt this holiday season to shame liberals into being more charitable. Since I often scold Republicans for being callous in their policies toward the needy, it seems only fair to reproach Democrats for being cheap in their private donations. What I want for Christmas is a healthy competition between left and right to see who actually does more for the neediest.

    Of course, given the economic pinch these days, charity isn't on the top of anyone's agenda. Yet, the financial ability to contribute to charity and the willingness to do so are strikingly unrelated. Amazingly, the working poor, who have the least resources, somehow manage to be more generous as a percentage of income than the middle class.

    So, even in tough times, there are ways to help. Come on, liberals, redeem yourselves, and put your wallets where your hearts are.

    Nicholas Kristof writes a column for the New York Times.

  8. #8
    Senior Member kuranes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    MBTI
    XNXP
    Posts
    1,065

    Default

    Well, if that's true, it's certainly embarrassing for Liberals . One wonders what the "charities" in question were, and why the disagreement between his figures and Google. As far as working class people being more generous than the monied classes, it's something I've often suspected.
    "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
    Reichsfuhrer Herman Goering at the Nuremburg trials.

  9. #9
    Senior Membrane spirilis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    MBTI
    InTP
    Enneagram
    9w1 sp
    Socionics
    INTj Ni
    Posts
    2,652

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by kuranes View Post
    As far as working class people being more generous than the monied classes, it's something I've often suspected.
    Yah, this pattern was more or less explained to me in the book "The Millionaire Next Door." The basic idea is that rich folks have a pattern of aggressive penny-pinching while working class folks do not (and freely spend more). While it doesn't explicitly mention charities in that book, I think there's a parallel sentiment between spending more "freely" and spending more on charity.
    intp | type 9w1 sp/sx/so

  10. #10
    Minister of Propagandhi ajblaise's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    MBTI
    INTP
    Posts
    7,917

    Default

    So if we don't count churches and religious organizations, liberals give more. Of course they make more though. This seems to all make sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by kuranes View Post
    As far as working class people being more generous than the monied classes, it's something I've often suspected.
    Ya know they do say conservatives are worse with money...

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 35
    Last Post: 04-16-2017, 02:32 PM
  2. 1 in 5 CEOs are psychopaths, study finds
    By meowington in forum General Psychology
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: 10-01-2016, 10:32 AM
  3. Howler Monkeys With Loud Manly Calls Are Not As Well Endowed, Study Finds
    By Olm the Water King in forum Science, Technology, and Future Tech
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 10-26-2015, 06:11 PM
  4. [Ne] Are INFJs studying ENxPs because they want ...
    By Istbkleta in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 05-22-2013, 04:56 PM
  5. Replies: 19
    Last Post: 04-23-2011, 08:58 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO