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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    This statement implies that conservatives are responsible for "all" the bad mortgages. Do you have data to back up this claim?
    To me, all data indicates that I was just joking. It would probably be hard to come up with a study on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I don't have a problem with conservatives taking the title for most generous. I actually wish they were a little more stingy with their money, so maybe we wouldn't have all these bad mortgages.
    The bad mortgages are attributable to whomever pressured Fannie May and Freddie Mac into lowering their loan requirements so that lower-income people could become homeowners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    To me, all data indicates that I was just joking. It would probably be hard to come up with a study on that.
    I figured you were probably trying to make a joke, but jokes are supposed to be funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I figured you were probably trying to make a joke, but jokes are supposed to be funny.
    But I guess comebacks aren't...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    The bad mortgages are attributable to whomever pressured Fannie May and Freddie Mac into lowering their loan requirements so that lower-income people could become homeowners.
    calling the Dems . . .

    Cause home-ownership is a human right now.

    To be fair, though, that was just one factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Schnitzel View Post
    43.5% of statistics are made up.
    Yet, from this sentence alone we could only deduce that this sentence may be made up.
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    I've nearly always been with a poor family, only recently moving into a middle-class sort of situation. Only more recently has any noteworthy amount of money been put in my hands. So, I'm more of a charity receiver than giver (though frankly, I don't think it's that bad now, and I'd rather somebody else gets help).

    However, I've thought about giving to charity, if I had some spare money, or say, if I got rich. In the end, I often wonder if it would be such a good idea. What does the charity actually accomplish supposing supposing it's using the money as it should? It seems to me that charities often do things to relieve symptoms, and extremely little to solve problems. In the end, when I think about being rich, I realize that I would rather give money to scientific research, or the push political movements I believe in. Stuff like that. The charity just scratches an itch.

    So I could spin this around and say that what this really shows is the naive simplicity of the conservative view. But... this is really a bunch of bullocks anyway. These figures are ridiculously simplistic. There are so many possible factors here that these statistics really tell us nothing about liberals.

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    EDIT: Some little things to think about... We should overlap income and political affiliation to see if overall, conservatives are in a better position to give money.

    Pay special attention to the part about religion. Religious liberals are just as generous, secular conservatives are the stingiest of the stingy. Right there, we have some proof that another factor is actually more important. It just so happens that social trends have resulted in conservatives being religious more often in the USA. Note that historically, in many other parts of the world, religious have leaned toward leftism. So, this does a lot to show how incidental the relation between liberals and the amount of money they give is. Also, it does point out that much of the money is being dumped into religious institutions themselves, which in several ways can undermine the nobility of what they are doing. Maybe they don't care about people, they just want to secure their own church. Maybe they wouldn't help anybody if they weren't focused on propping up their beliefs.

    Sometimes you have to be pragmatic to really help people. Dumping money into church charities, as I have said, does not seem very pragmatic. It's the greedy/stupid divide again. Perhaps liberals have a more realistic understanding of how to handle these things, and actually help. Dumping money into a church charity may not be a very sophisticated way of helping.

    France may be the least charitable because they may have less need to be charitable. I'd be especially interested in seeing the charity figures in the Scandinavian countries. The idea behind a socialist systems is to build something that ultimately makes charities seem primitive and obsolete as tools for helping people.

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    Now, all of those things might be wrong... But that's not even a comprehensive list of things to wonder about this situation. My point is that things are never as simple as that article is.
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    No shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Schnitzel View Post
    I think what he's saying is that if conservatives had tighter lending regulations in the past 8 years the economic crisis wouldn't be as bad. Not to say that only conservatives are responsible for this, but if they were more "conservative" it would have helped.
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    dammit... it's not stinginess, it's poverty!
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