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    Default Protesting the Iraq War may be a Crime?

    Some are saying that President Bush's latest Executive Order may make war protest a crime.

    Do you think these sources are overly alarmist about the new executive order or do you think it is a valid worry?

    Bush executive order: Criminalizing the antiwar movement (?)


    Protesting the War may be a Crime (?)

    Bush orders seizure of assets from those threatening Iraq "stabilization efforts"

    "Monday, July 23, 2007 :In an extremely broad executive order issued on July 17, President Bush authorized the Treasury Department to freeze the property of anyone determined to be hindering US actions in Iraq and the stability of the US-backed regime in Baghdad. The wording is vague enough to encompass not only those resisting the occupation directly, but also US citizens involved in antiwar activity...."

    The White House Press Release on this Executive Order
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    I toss my avatar at you, Bush! >:|
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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Some are saying that President Bush's latest Executive Order may make war protest a crime.

    Do you think these sources are overly alarmist about the new executive order or do you think it is a valid worry?
    I'd say that yes, they are overly alarmist.

    However, once you parse the text... it is dangerous. In short, yes, your assets can be frozen (not quite seized) indefinitely for any interpretation of not supporting the reconstruction in Iraq. "Crime" isn't exactly the word - what this is doing isn't charging you with anything - that's the problem!

    FWIW, the line that is dangerous, besides the whole thing, is;
    undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq . Technically, this could be used on political rivals who don't support the war/reconstruction in Iraq; assets seized with no resourse and charges laid.

    What's interesting is that this is the same as what the IRS does, except used for different political purposes.

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    I'm sort of thinking protesting should be illegal. In most cases, protesters are more violent than the people they're protesting against. And when has picketing ever solved problems?

    There used to be times when people voted on issues. Now it's about listening to what Michael Moore says.

    Of course, I really don't care...it's not affecting me.

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    Damn protestors! All who oppose the occupation of Iraq should be horribly maimed.





    On a more serious note, I have to disagree about protesting needing to be illegal. While I disagree with most protestors in general, I believe that they are a necessary evil. Just like people like us exist to do the dirty, serious work, people like them exist to keep people like us in check. That's why I have no problem with the fact that liberals exist.

    Balance of power FTW!
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    Not all people who oppose the war in Iraq are liberals.

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    True, I didn't mean to imply that. Those were two seperate thoughts.
    "You will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you never had the courage to commit."

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    Yeah, I realized that after I posted.

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    Hillary says "show me the money!!!" to Syria and Iran!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRw8I8eyQ0M
    Very funny video!

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