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  • NO! Guns are EVIL and serve no good purpose.

    21 15.67%
  • YES! Guns are USEFUL and are nice to have when you need them.

    79 58.96%
  • Maybe... I wouldn't own one, but I don't mind if you do.

    30 22.39%
  • What's a gun?

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    +1 on Trinity's comments.


    the National Rifle Association says that, "Guns don't kill people, people do,” but I think the gun helps, you know? I think it helps.
    I just think just standing there going, "Bang!" That's not going to kill too many people, is it?
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    Arguments for gun ownership -
    Their cool.
    It's reassuring..
    You're useful in a shootout...
    If you are a responsible citizen then by who's right are such weapons kept from you and for what reason?
    Violence is sometimes the only recourse of a responsible person.

    Arguments against gun ownership...
    Responsible people don't shoot? Yeah right, road rage. Nuff said.
    You may be responsible but all it takes is one robbery to go right and all the attending citizens have just armed a criminal.
    Violence solves nothing.

    [to be expanded upon]
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    What about weapons other than guns? Let's think outside the box here.
    You can't spell "justice" without ISTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Violence solves nothing.
    Why do the police carry weapons, then, if violence solves nothing?

    Violence has settled a great many important questions in human history.

    Violence determined when the US Confederacy would stop practicing slavery, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    What about weapons other than guns? Let's think outside the box here.
    Oh god no. The ENFPs would go straight for the box marked ICBM!!
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Why do the police carry weapons, then, if violence solves nothing?
    Cause it's quicker and involves less effort to shoot someone than to beat them to death with a stick. Duh.
    Violence has settled a great many important questions in human history.
    Such as how many people can you actually kill before your coffee goes cold.
    Violence determined when the US Confederacy would stop practicing slavery, for example.
    I believe it's billed for 2012 isn't it?


    [Btw I did note that violence does have it's place. I'd still challenge you to try the road rage problem though..]
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    So the solution is to produce more weapons and arm more people which will result in more weapons ending up in the hands of criminals and the 'good guys' needing more firepower.
    I don't believe in this dynamic. The law-abiding are very much divided on the question of the usefulness of weaponry... the criminal class is generally of one mind on the issue.

    One thing to remember is that most criminals don't want a gunfight. They want a victim. If you simply stop being a victim, the criminal usually will go in search of easier prey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Why do the police carry weapons, then, if violence solves nothing?
    Violence should be a last resort and ideally left to those who have been trained to react in the right manner when it matters not your average Joe who wants to take things into his own hands. A lot of damage can be done with a gun in a short time when in the hands of the wrong person. I understand that's part of your argument for but can you see how it's also the argument against?

    I guess what I struggle to understand is how or if you guys can feel safe knowing people around you may have a concealed weapon. And why that would be an argument in favour of allowing more guns... if others carrying guns is want concerns you than how can more people having access to guns be a good and safer thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    [Btw I did note that violence does have it's place. I'd still challenge you to try the road rage problem though..]
    Well, because your conclusions are based on your assumptions, which I'm really quite hard-pressed to change, I see the odds are quite stacked against me.

    I can tell you for certain, though, that among the concealed-carry community violent crime is vanishingly rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    Violence should be a last resort and ideally left to those who have been trained to react in the right manner when it matters not your average Joe who wants to take things into his own hands.
    Call a cop and order a pizza, and see which one arrives first... it's not a matter of "wanting to take things into your own hands," it's a matter of "it's you or nobody."

    If I could find a state trooper who would fit in my pocket, I'd carry one of those instead.

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