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  • NO! Guns are EVIL and serve no good purpose.

    21 15.67%
  • YES! Guns are USEFUL and are nice to have when you need them.

    79 58.96%
  • Maybe... I wouldn't own one, but I don't mind if you do.

    30 22.39%
  • What's a gun?

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    I think FemmeUrbane's position, distilled, is that she would rather see the world burn than to personally shoot someone to death, and thinks everyone else should feel that way too. Many don't, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeUrbane View Post
    That's semantics.

    Objects do have an ORIGINAL intention. See my previous posts.
    Not at all, a gun has properties, it's made to shot projectiles at a high rate of speed. As if to say a bow and arrow has a better nature than a gun because it's less efficient at doing the same job? A weapon is a weapon.

    As to your previous posts (which I wasn't addressing) the advent of guns (and the subsequent improvement on the technology) have actually reduced the number of casualties in war. Less people die in wars now than they did in the days of swords, bows and arrows. Facts and stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Define this intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeUrbane View Post
    There is something that seems so wrong to me about an object whose purpose is taking life. The objective behind the gun is death, or at the very least SEVERE pain.

    It doesn't matter how it's used (the situations/scenarios)... the objective/purpose remains the same.

    This does not seem like a power that we, as humans, should have. It seems so unnatural to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I think FemmeUrbane's position, distilled, is that she would rather see the world burn than to personally shoot someone to death, and thinks everyone else should feel that way too. Many don't, however.
    While I personally would rather have a sword fight than a shoot out, I don't kid myself about which is a more efficient weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeUrbane View Post
    See my previous posts. Scenarios do not change the nature/intention of a gun.
    Even the act of killing, itself, is neither good nor evil. So guns cannot be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeUrbane View Post
    There is something that seems so wrong to me about an object whose purpose is taking life. The objective behind the gun is death, or at the very least SEVERE pain.
    Okay, so lets say you're right. How, exactly is this different from: Clubs, Bows and Arrows, Maces, Spears, Swords, ANY other weapon? (besides that it's more effective).

    This does not seem like a power that we, as humans, should have. It seems so unnatural to me.
    Actually, humans have been killing each other for as long as we have records, and guess what? They've used whatever the most effective means of death they could come up with, almost every single time. Currently, that's guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by millerm277 View Post
    Okay, so lets say you're right. How, exactly is this different from: Clubs, Bows and Arrows, Maces, Spears, Swords, ANY other weapon? (besides that it's more effective).



    Actually, humans have been killing each other for as long as we have records, and guess what? They've used whatever the most effective means of death they could come up with, almost every single time. Currently, that's guns.
    Quote Originally Posted by kendoiwan View Post
    While I personally would rather have a sword fight than a shoot out, I don't kid myself about which is a more efficient weapon.
    Quote Originally Posted by kendoiwan View Post
    As if to say a bow and arrow has a better nature than a gun because it's less efficient at doing the same job? A weapon is a weapon.

    As to your previous posts (which I wasn't addressing) the advent of guns (and the subsequent improvement on the technology) have actually reduced the number of casualties in war. Less people die in wars now than they did in the days of swords, bows and arrows. Facts and stuff.

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...ml#post1161526

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I think FemmeUrbane's position, distilled, is that she would rather see the world burn than to personally shoot someone to death, and thinks everyone else should feel that way too. Many don't, however.
    I love it when people mistake what I say.

    Please go back and read what I've typed.

    My explanation addresses the title of the thread: Guns are evil vs. Guns are good. This sounds like a question of the evilness/goodness of guns. How does one determine if a gun is good or evil: usually one would examine the intention.

    I examined the intention - death/severely injure. Humans aren't meant to do this, or else there would not be a psychological repercussion. Intention is analyzed quite thoroughly. Case closed.

    I have never once said that I want people to think like me. I understand many people don't. My intention was to examine if guns were good or evil. I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    Even the act of killing, itself, is neither good nor evil. So guns cannot be.
    Not so:

    Quote Originally Posted by FemmeUrbane View Post
    I doubt this is true. Violence, yes. Killing, no. Taking of life has a SEVERE psychological impact on the human. If humans were meant to kill - like a tiger - this would not happen. We may have developed a way to desensitize us - video games, guns, missiles, gore-y movies, etc - and yet, killing still has this impact!

    You don't see tiger cubs crying, do you?
    If we were meant to kill - we wouldn't have this psychological repercussion. Killing each other is not what we were made for. Evolution and darwinism and creationism all kinda echo this sentiment based on utility.
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    I don't see the difference between guns and knives, clubs, swords, spears, strangle-wire, toilets, cyanide, etc beyond the superior effectiveness of a firearm. Humans are animals. Animals that eat meat. We were required to kill other animals for food, clothing, mating prowess, everything. Tools designed for killing were required and created, and the more effective the better.



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