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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Western Europe is one extreme. Islamic countries are the other.
    Corrected. Eastern Europe is in many ways a completely different story from Western Europe.

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    Umm, I think it went like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Corrected. Eastern Europe is in many ways a completely different story from Western Europe.
    It's not just Western Europe. A decent portion of northern, southern, and central Europe are also open. I briefly dated a Slovakian girl, and her family actually had to coax her to come out to them. Her mom is a judge, and she comes from a family line of judges. Conservative family. Yet, no one had an issue with her being gay. Not even her father. They worried her life would be harder, but no condemnation.

    Either way, there are countries in Eastern Europe that allow gays to openly serve in the military. That's still more progressive than the good ole U.S.A.


    Template:LGBT rights table Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    Either way, there are countries in Eastern Europe that allow gays to openly serve in the military. That's still more progressive than the good ole U.S.A.
    That still raises the question of the disconnect between offical policy and everyday life. According to your source the Russian army allows gays, and I can guarantee you they get harassed like fuck if they're open about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    That still raises the question of the disconnect between offical policy and everyday life. According to your source the Russian army allows gays, and I can guarantee you they get harassed like fuck if they're open about it.
    This is a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    That still raises the question of the disconnect between offical policy and everyday life. According to your source the Russian army allows gays, and I can guarantee you they get harassed like fuck if they're open about it.
    You forgot:

    Albania
    Bosnia
    Herzegovina
    Bulgaria
    Macedonia
    Moldova
    Montenegro
    Romania
    Ukraine

    That's only Eastern Europe, which has the least amount of gay rights.


    Regardless, policy has to be approved by actual people. Policy leads to public acceptance. Whether it takes 10+ years, it eventually happens. Europe for the most part, is still more liberal than America. Thank goodness, there are leaders that are reasonable enough to make decisions outside of their religious beliefs.

    Do you not find it strange that Eastern (conservative) Europe, has legal protections that the U.S. doesn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldanen View Post
    America birthed the Internet. Debate is over now.
    Yup. You can credit Vinton Cerf (U.S. Nationality) and Robert Kahn (U.S. Nationality) for that.

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    Tim. Berners. Lee.

    You're welcome.
    He is responsible for the World Wide Web.
    Tim Berners-Lee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcarius View Post
    Not only that;

    Tommy Flowers almost single handedly made the world's first programmable electronic computer, and which was also the most important computer by far; Without a programmable electronic computer there would be no internet anyway.








    I really can't type when I am a sleep.

    It wasn't single handedly at all. No such thing is.
    Others responsible include:
    Alan Turing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (British Nationality)
    Max Newman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (British Nationality)
    Marian Rejewski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Polish Nationality)
    Jerzy R?ycki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Ukranian Born, Polish Nationality)
    Henryk Zygalski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Polish Nationality)

    However, the person resoponsible for the model used by basically all modern processors is:
    John von Neumann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Hunarian born, U.S. Nationality)

    The people responsible for the first transistors, which are needed for all microelectronics including microprocessors are:
    William Shockley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (British born, U.S. Nationality)
    John Bardeen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (U.S. Nationality)
    Walter Houser Brattain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (U.S. Nationality)

    The inventor of the Integrated Circuit (without which we would have no microelectronics, including the microprocessor) was:
    Jack Kilby - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (U.S. Nationality)
    Though many believe that Robert Noyce (U.S. Nationality) invented it at about the same time.

    The inventor of the planar process (without which we would have no microelectronics, including the microprocessor) was:
    Jean Hoerni - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Swiss born, U.S. Nationality)

    The inventor of the CMOS transistor (which is vital for power hungry cicuits like microprocessors) was:
    Frank Wanlass - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (U.S Nationality)

    Then there are those who made microelctronics including micropocessors cheap enough to have wide spread use:
    Gordon Moore - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (U.S Nationality)
    Robert Noyce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (U.S Nationality)
    Andrew Grove - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Hungarian born, U.S Nationality)

    Then there is the inventor of the Microprocessor itself:
    Marcian Hoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (U.S Nationality)

    Microprocessors need to supported by Printed Circuit Boards (PCBs). The person credit for this is:
    Paul Eisler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Austrian Born, Brithis Nationality) Though U.S. companies are credited for making them available for wide spread use.

    The first routers, IMPs, which are obviously vital for teh internet was developed, as part of a U.S. government funded project called ARPANET, by:
    Severo Ornstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (U.S. Nationality)

    The people responsible for the software for the routers were:
    William Crowther - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (U.S. Nationality)
    Bob Kahn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (U.S. Nationality)
    Dave Walden (U.S. Nationality)

    That covers the hardware side of things reasonably well.

    But I haven't talked buch about sofware (other than basic computing, the TCP, the internet protocol itself, and the World Wide Web):

    The histories of Operating Systems and programming languages are highly collaborative, very incremental, and rather convoluted.
    But you can read about them here:
    history of operating system
    History of programming languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There are some key thngs important for the development of the internet that needs to be noted.

    UNIX was the early backbone of computers hooked up to the internet, the person credited ofr this is:
    Ken Thompson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (U.S. Nationality)

    Linux has taken over as a large part of the replacement, and seems like it will pretty much be a replacement for the old UNIX. The inventor of Linux is of coures the famous:
    Linus Torvalds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Finish Nationality)

    The C programming language (along with C++) was and still is the language of choice for the backbone (underlying systems) used in basically all systems programming (as opposed to application or configuration programs). The person credited for this is:
    Dennis Ritchie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (U.S. Nationality)
    The inventor of C++ is:
    Bjarne Stroustrup - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Danish Born, Nationality?, Currently at Texas A. &M.)

    The inventor of SGML, out of which Tim Berners Lee made HTML was:
    Charles Goldfarb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (U.S. Nationality)
    Goldfarb is also credited for XML, which is poised to take over a lot of applications.

    A leader in Databases, and properly the father of SQL (though called something else) is:
    Edgar F. Codd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (British National)
    The first version of SQL was developed at IBM by Andrew Richardson, Donald C. Messerly and Raymond F. Boyce in the early 1970s.
    Larry Ellison (U.S. Nationality) copied and comercialized it in Oracle.
    Many free SQL based database systems have emerged since.

    The very imortant Common Gateway Interface was developed very collaboratively across many countries--a very common thing is modern software development (Open Source, etc.).

    PERL, a powerful, and important tool during the early devlopment of websites. The inventor is the famous:
    Larry Wall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (U.S. National)
    PERL is used for a lot of other things besides the web, and many more languages popped up, including JSP, ASP, Cold Fussion, and PHP.

    PHP, is perhaps the leading language of choice now. The inventor of PHP is:
    Rasmus Lerdorf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Greenland born, Danish Nationality?)

    A very popular web-server is Apache, and the person credited for it is:
    Robert McCool - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (U.S. Nationality)

    An early and influential language (and still used a lot today) for the most dynamic web content was Java. The inventor is:
    James Gosling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Canadian Nationality)
    Shockwave, Flash and other such things have come to replace Java applets, but still work on similar principles, but at a higher level.

    That covers who is famous for the development of the internet, but there are many who aren't who influenced its growth.

    Obviously there were many people involved in its sucess and growth, and many nationalities involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    The best you have is taking my words out of context?

    Islamic countries are so far beyond mere prudishness, it's laughable to call them that. You're the one that's using the definition incorrectly. It's like stating Hitler was mildly frustrated, as opposed to deeply disturbed. Fascist and misogynistic doesn't even begin to cover the inhumanity carried out there. Forcing women to wear burkas isn't about modesty or prudishness. It's a symptom that reveals the disease underneath.

    It's outright subjugation, and tyranny.
    Not out of context, I put them in the correct context.

    You were just trying to take a jab at the US with your over-the-top language, out of bitterness because you can't marry a woman (yet). It's pretty obvious, you do it quite often.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    You forgot:
    Regardless, policy has to be approved by actual people.

    Do you not find it strange that Eastern (conservative) Europe, has legal protections that the U.S. doesn't?
    Not really: the European Court of Human Rights essentially controls such policies in the European Union, and EU aspirants have to adopt EU laws before they are admitted (besides which, proportional representation facilitates elite domination of the political system); and before you cheer the triumph of an enlightened elite over the primitive barbarism of the crude majority, keep in mind that many other policies forced upon the population are not so enlightened. For instance, laws criminalizing "hate speech" result in the threat of persecution of anyone who speaks out against orthodox Islamic attitudes toward women, gays, Jews, etc., which at best has a chilling effect on public debate.

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    Ygolo, I was making reference to Colossus. It is a fact that Colossus was not designed at Bletchley Park as the British government did not believe Tommy Flowers was able to make electronic computer because Britain was still a rather snobbish country.

    You see Tommy Flowers was a son of a bricklayer who studied part-time, while Newman and Turing went to Cambridge. Hence, the people you listed had little input into colossus, as they were not part of his Post Office Research Station team. It was the now near unknown engineers at the Post Office Research Station like Allen Coombs who actually helped Flowers on Colossus most.

    When Flowers showed Newman his own computer design he was told it was more or less unworkable. Max Newman's attempt, Heath Robinson, was five times slower and harder to operate than Colossus despite having the support of the government; he was suppose to be the expert not Tommy Flowers.

    It was only when Tommy Flowers proved his computer worked that Bletchley Park wanted to be a part of it.

    My point I was making was not dismiss inventions, which are now a vital part of modern household computers today, but rather to champion a man who was far too modest to take the credit for designing the most important computer ever. The whole reason America was able to become the center for the computer industry is because Britain was forced to pass on the Colossus designs to America as part of its war debit, and the British government never saw the potential of computers.
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