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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    So you know, Civilization is a byproduct of Cities.
    Could you expound on that?

    I'm not sure about the point you were trying to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Could you expound on that?

    I'm not sure about the point you were trying to make.
    City-> from Civitas, tis (latin)

    Citizen, Civilization, Civics, Civicism... All these words share the same root.

    And the City, is in fact Rome, since we are all the children of the Roman civilization.
    Look at your city, look at the land, and you will see the reflection of a living civilization which thrives layers after layers. If you want to understand how America has begun to differ from Europe, look at its cities, and you may probably guess not a single answer, but several.
    Look at the neverending, dusty, polluted urban sprawl of L.A., and then, you may understand a lot about the "values" of your own country. Do you enjoy spending half your day in highways? Ask yourself why!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    City-> from Civitas, tis (latin)

    Citizen, Civilization, Civics, Civicism... All these words share the same root.

    And the City, is in fact Rome, since we are all the children of the Roman civilization.
    Look at your city, look at the land, and you will see the reflection of a civilization. If you want to understand how America has begun to differ from Europe, look at its cities, and you may probably have not a single answer, but several.
    How does this relate to me visiting Paris and choosing to live in LA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Isn't hunting a major part of life in that part of the world?
    I think farming is more common. The Crying Camel is an interesting documentary on life in the Gobi. I have a friend that spent the summer in mongolia and mentioned that cities are somewhat modern but depend on rural farming. Just what would be hunted?

    I'm an american living in europe for almost 6 years so far. It's difficult to put the differences in words sometimes. Europeans are more into fresher food, have a deeper respect for the arts, and have a greater awareness of the history.

    Genetically manipulated food is fought against in the eu, corn syrup is not allowed in common food products. Americans over sweeten everything with mostly anything but cane sugar. I think this can account for avg BMI differences.

    Sure, lots of great music has been developed in the states, but I find there is more support for it here, whether at hte state level or community. Sure, there is some dreadful commercial mainstream culture, but purer or more experimental forms also flourish. Something i mean about awareness of history, there is recognition that the land was populated and continues to be. Few american buildings survive pre 1900, whereas modern european cities incorporate their heritage.

    Ack ,i need to get to bed, this topic could get me up for a while.

    Biggest difference, the socialist democracies/etc tend not let their neighbor go hungry, even if it means not eating the best steak for ones own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    How does this relate to me visiting Paris and choosing to live in LA?
    Why did you chose to live in L.A.?

    What do you enjoy here, and what do you NOT enjoy?

    How does this affect your "values"?

    And please, try to focus on the big picture. For instance, look at what you own car symbolize, and just after that, look at your homecity again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Why did you chose to live in L.A.?

    What do you enjoy here, and what do you NOT enjoy?

    How does this affect your "values"?

    And please, try to focus on the big picture. For instance, look at what you own car symbolize, and just after that, look at your homecity again.
    I like the weather, I like the people (they are charmingly weird), the city is vast and diverse (i.e. never tiresome), and the LA's entertainment industry is relevant to my interests.

    I liked Paris because it was aesthetically pleasing, and of course, the French cuisine is always nice. The French people tend to be less puritanical than the majority of Americans, which to me is a plus. However, the common stereotype is that Parisians tend to be pretentious and xenophobic, but I can't confirm that firsthand. In any case, if I spoke French well enough I would definitely consider Paris as one of the cities to live in, along with Moscow and Tokyo. I can't speak Japanese either, but in Tokyo they don't expect a gaijin like me to speak Japanese, and I can easily get by on English.

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    So are we saying that U.S. culture seems to live more for the moment, enjoying life day-by-day? (like an SP culture, maybe) And Europeans consider themselves to be more composed (less impulsive), and thinking in long-term?

    This is for the people describing one U.S. culture and one European culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dga View Post
    Biggest difference, the socialist democracies/etc tend not let their neighbor go hungry, even if it means not eating the best steak for ones own.
    There is very little real hunger in the US. In the city in which I live, there is actually an overabundance of food aid for those who need it. If someone in Rocky Mount is missing a meal, the reason for it is lack of communication, not lack of supply or public goodwill. Most of this food aid comes in the form of charitable giving organized by local 501c-3s, which include churches, para-church organizations, and secular non-profits.

    As far as international aid goes, again the problems appear to be in distribution, not supply. The US has always been a great supplier of food aid to needy countries. The problem is that it's increasingly difficult to ensure that the food actually makes it into hungry bellies.

    Another problem, and one that I hadn't thought of before this year, is that where there is a shortage of food but still some farming, nothing kills the local farm economy like large-scale food aid. Nobody will buy corn in the marketplace when UNICEF is handing out bags of cornmeal off the backs of trucks... and the farmers have to find some other way to make their money, which endangers the continued existence of agriculture in that area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    There is very little real hunger in the US. In the city in which I live, there is actually an overabundance of food aid for those who need it. If someone in Rocky Mount is missing a meal, the reason for it is lack of communication, not lack of supply or public goodwill. Most of this food aid comes in the form of charitable giving organized by local 501c-3s, which include churches, para-church organizations, and secular non-profits.

    As far as international aid goes, again the problems appear to be in distribution, not supply. The US has always been a great supplier of food aid to needy countries. The problem is that it's increasingly difficult to ensure that the food actually makes it into hungry bellies.
    Yep, people never starve in the US because no one will give them food. There's always another reason, usually something like mental illness, that causes them to starve.

    Another problem, and one that I hadn't thought of before this year, is that where there is a shortage of food but still some farming, nothing kills the local farm economy like large-scale food aid. Nobody will buy corn in the marketplace when UNICEF is handing out bags of cornmeal off the backs of trucks... and the farmers have to find some other way to make their money, which endangers the continued existence of agriculture in that area.
    War and drought aside, this has been the biggest problem for agriculture in Africa. We claim to be helping them, but we keep doing things that actually hurt them. It seems we care more about feeling good about ourselves than making actual progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
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    You mean Paris Hilton?

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