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    Default Mike Huckabee VS Jon Stewart: Gay Marriage

    [youtube="VWlxwO36Ztc"]Mike Huckabee Gets Owned[/youtube]

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    I saw that whole episode. It was actually a fairly civil discussion. The economic conservatism argument was interesting too. I am fiscally conservative for vastly different reasons than Huckabee, and find his reasons a bit naive (and find Stewart's reasons for regulation, etc. also naive)

    I don't get the "redefining" marriage argument at-all. How does the social structure break down if you redefine the word?

    It feels like a contrived argument to avoid seeming homophobic. I realize they may or may not be... and Huckabee said that it does not mean they are homophobic.

    But really, if you are afraid that if gay people get married, the social structures of society will breakdown, how is that belief in itself not homophobic?

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    Heh, I don't know. That didn't really look like a discussion where one side was trying to pwn the other (unlike say Crossfire). It seemed more like a reasonable discussion, or at least as close as you can get on a topic like this. I actually think both sides made some decent points too. Although I might personally vote in favor of gay marriage, it's been voted down in every state that has had a vote relevant to the issue. If gay marriage ever does gain widespread support, I don't see it happening any time soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    But really, if you are afraid that if gay people get married, the social structures of society will breakdown, how is that belief in itself not homophobic?
    Inherently homophobic, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    Inherently homophobic, yes.
    To be fair, this does not have to be the case.

    To use an analogy, it's like an anarchist and anyone else arguing over if there should be laws. The argument would go much the same way.

    The question is if he is right about society breaking down, or if it is not socially expedient to have it happen. I think that it's the normal conservative mindset of being against progress (why change what worked), but it does not have to be inherently homophobic, or rather, it doesn't have to be homophobic beliefs that draw the conclusion. It end result would be 'homophobic' in the same way that the anarchist would call the rest of us control freaks.

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    I don't really see how he got owned. Looked to me like one of those debates where whichever side you like, was the side who won.

    One thing though, is I don't really understand the semantics argument. As long as the civil rights of marriage are granted to homosexual couples, who cares what it's called. Do gays really care what the name of their union is called, or not called? As long as the benefits of marriage are transferred, why try to change the definition?



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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    The question is if he is right about society breaking down, or if it is not socially expedient to have it happen. I think that it's the normal conservative mindset of being against progress (why change what worked), but it does not have to be inherently homophobic, or rather, it doesn't have to be homophobic beliefs that draw the conclusion. It end result would be 'homophobic' in the same way that the anarchist would call the rest of us control freaks.
    Why would society break down for allowing two consenting adults to marry each other? This argument requires gay marriage and anarchy to be within a category of reasonable comparison. It's not.

    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    One thing though, is I don't really understand the semantics argument. As long as the civil rights of marriage are granted to homosexual couples, who cares what it's called. Do gays really care what the name of their union is called, or not called? As long as the benefits of marriage are transferred, why try to change the definition?
    Civil unions and marriage aren't legally equal.

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    Unless you're already a Huckabee fan, Stewart made him look foolish.

    But I wish Stewart would have pushed the hypothetical "why would it be so horrible if gays could marry? Give me some scenarios" on him more.

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