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    Broud Balestinian G-Virus's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    historically speaking, this was to protect religious beliefs from government control and persecution, but in modern times people have become so paranoid that they believe religion has grown past an elective practice to such an extent that it threatens the government. however, it remains just one of many potential biases that politicians may or may not act on, if the purpose of the law was to keep personal beliefs out of the government then it would need a far greater scope.

    as for the conflict between "God's code" and "man's code", as far as I understand (at least for Christianity) the commandment is to follow man's laws as long as they do not conflict with God's law. there is actually a lot of solid societal logic behind both government-mandated law and Biblical commandments (which, if anything, makes me suspect they are man-made), so there is not as much disagreement as one might think.
    I agree with this post especially the bolded.

    To say God's law only serves the metaphysical makes it pointless and impractical though. This is directed at those saying gods laws were not meant to be implimented. Well what are god's laws? Stuff like the commandments etc . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Virus View Post
    I think they had to deal with it. The total control the Church had on the domain of life in the middle ages was no longer accepted by the current society, thus they had to change their doctrine and deal with it.
    You're missing my point. You keep claiming that it is illogical for a religious person to support the separation of church and state, yet now you're stating that religiously observant Western populations forced religious institutions to do just that. Your arguments are already inconsistent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    as for the conflict between "God's code" and "man's code", as far as I understand (at least for Christianity) the commandment is to follow man's laws as long as they do not conflict with God's law.
    The belief among modern Christians is that secular law and divine law are entirely separate things, and religious law cannot be imposed upon others, especially not through the state apparatus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Virus View Post
    I agree with this post especially the bolded.

    To say God's law only serves the metaphysical makes it pointless and impractical though. This is directed at those saying gods laws were not meant to be implimented. Well what are god's laws? Stuff like the commandments etc . . .
    Once again, read my first post where I explained one possible reasoning behind the existence of divine law that is not meant to be imposed on others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grayscale View Post
    there is actually a lot of solid societal logic behind both government-mandated law and Biblical commandments (which, if anything, makes me suspect they are man-made), so there is not as much disagreement as one might think.
    Many Atheists hate both the church and the state.

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