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    Quote Originally Posted by dga View Post
    globally, it is no worse than christianity and catholicism.
    Unfortunately this is a propaganda lie.

    It is an old lie and is called, "the lie of moral equivalence".

    First we were told that the old Soviet Union and the United States were morally equivalent. And now the lie is being repeated and we are told that Christian Catholicism and militant Islamists, are morally equivalent.

    In fact Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular fully accept and practise the separation of Church and State.

    While Islam has never accepted the separation of Mosque and State and certainly doesn't practise it.

    And unfortunately Islam teaches Jihad and Martyrdom and practises them in the modern world.

    And it is this that makes the militant Islamists terrorists.

    I would emphasise though that it is not only the right thing to do but it is in our interests to support moderate Islam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    A lot of non-christian groups are Anti-Israel, but not necessarily anti-Jew. Some think Israel is on the level of a fundamental Jewish sect. When you grow up and all you hear from your media and your parents and relatives about how your house just got bulldozed over on the justification that "God said we could live here 2000+ years ago" and you can't really do anything about it, it tends to foster a hatred and bitterness towards the group.
    Anti-semitism predates the State of Israel.

    In fact the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem joined with the NAZIs to exterminate the Jews before the State of Israel was born.

    As a member of the United Nations, Australia is bound by solemn agreement to support the State of Israel in the same way we support France or Britain or the US.

    Both sides of our Parliament give full support to the State of Israel and for good reason.

    Israel is the last best defence for Jews - and they need it.

    And Israel is a member of the United Nations whom we are sworn to defend against external attack.

    And Israel is a fully fledged Democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I am suggesting we should support the moderate muslims and we should not support the Islamo-Fascists.

    And of course this is extremely ironic as almost everyone here is a follower of the Fascsist collaborator, Carl Jung.

    Fascism is an immensely attractive belief system.

    Totalitiarianism, whether Fascist or Communist is immensely attractive to vast numbers of people.

    And Islamo-Fascism is the most dangerous totalitarianism because it is religious.
    Moderates are always the majority. Who are the vocal ones with the most influence though?

    (just look at politics in our country for your answer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maabus1999 View Post
    Moderates are always the majority. Who are the vocal ones with the most influence though?

    (just look at politics in our country for your answer)
    The moderates do want their countries to enter the modern world. For instance China and India are entering the modern world in very large numbers every year. And ultimately the Islamic countries will want to enter the modern world. But they won't be able to enter the modern world if they keep the religious practice of Jihad and Martyrdom.

    No one can read the future but I would guess we will see a very long struggle between the moderates and the militants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Unfortunately this is a propaganda lie.
    Not really, in the extreme, both are fucked.
    In the extreme Christianity - The dark ages / Islam - The middle east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Israel is the last best defence for Jews - and they need it.

    And Israel is a fully fledged Democracy.
    1. Which they shouldn't have. Israel is a country created on foreign soil, on foreign people. The Jews long since didn't have a country, and they shouldn't be given one for no reason.

    The gypsies have no country of their own. Should we give one for them as well?

    Also, the mere existence of it destabilized a whole fucking region.

    2. It was by no means democracy, that created it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    1. Because it is the age old prototype of prejudice.

    2. Other forms of prejudice take their forms from anti-semitism.

    3. Also it is the prototype for paranoid conspiracy theories.
    And always remember that paranoia is psychological preparation to attack.

    4. Jews are like our canary in the mine - what happens to Jews eventually happens to us.

    And this played out in Mumbai. First they attacked Jews, then they attacked Americans, British and Australians.
    1. Prototype? Are you fucking serious? Prejudice existed before people knew what a fucking Jew was.

    2. Yeah, fucking right.

    3. Don't follow you. Rephrase please.

    4. I can't follow your logic. I really don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Unfortunately this is a propaganda lie.

    It is an old lie and is called, "the lie of moral equivalence".

    First we were told that the old Soviet Union and the United States were morally equivalent. And now the lie is being repeated and we are told that Christian Catholicism and militant Islamists, are morally equivalent.

    In fact Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular fully accept and practise the separation of Church and State.

    While Islam has never accepted the separation of Mosque and State and certainly doesn't practise it.

    And unfortunately Islam teaches Jihad and Martyrdom and practises them in the modern world.

    And it is this that makes the militant Islamists terrorists.

    I would emphasise though that it is not only the right thing to do but it is in our interests to support moderate Islam.
    nonsense. You must have missed hte past 8 years of george bush receiving orders from god to blow up stuff in iraq. Just how many people in italy are not catholic. The fact is that in so many nations, the overwhelming majority of people identify themselves as christians that there does not need to be any separation, because in fact there is none. Germany has plenty of official state holidays which correspond to christian fables. The US, officially recognizes christmas and easter as holidays. No ramadan, no passover, no flying spaghetti monster day, as the populations to event request such days are so infinitely minute.

    Nobody told me that the soviet union was equivalent to the US. I am sitting in what used to be its most western boundary and would not believe it if someone told me either.

    Islam and christianity are both equivalent and both should be reduced to the fairy tales they preach.

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    Terrorism has no religion, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edel weiss View Post
    Terrorism has no religion, period.
    This would be nice to believe but the Koran teaches Jihad and Martyrdom.

    And it is the carrying out of Jihad and Martyrdom in the modern world that constitutes terrorism.

    But worse, those who carry out the teaching of their holy book believe they are being good in the eyes of Allah who will richly reward them in Heaven.

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