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    Default The Real History of Thanksgiving

    At times I've heard the stories of thanksgiving we heard in school are whitewashed. I do remember seeing an interesting book in the bookstore once about American history from an unbiased, non-whitewashed perspective, but reading books about history just isn't something I have time for.

    Does anybody have any knowledge or articles concerning this?

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    Whaddya wanna know?

    Miles Standish was a military officer/would-be physician. Helped take care of the sick/dying during the difficult winter passage of 1620. Initial Native interaction came about as an extension of trade necessity -- had the French not arrived sooner, it is possible the existing barriers in communication (alongside the shared fear/uncertainty towards the other party) may have made for a skirmish, instead of trade negotiations.

    More...? Different data...?

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    From what I heard it sounded like something bad was going on like they were robbing or killing Indians instead. I dunno.

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    Maybe so.

    Each side was extremely wary of the other. It's likely there may have been a violent exchange, prior/after the Mayflower Compact.

    The English were dying of starvation/disease. Violence was probably not out of the question for them.

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    The History Channel has a documentary about that whole episode they've been running today. I saw bits and pieces of it while I was eating lunch. Apparently the English dug up a grave, hoping to find supplies, the first time they encountered a native settlement.
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    FFF, if you don't like Thanksgiving you don't have to dig for justification.(IE Trying to find out how may turkeys lost their lives or what our crazy forefathers did over 200 years ago).

    It's OK if you don't like Thanksgiving. You don't need a reason. I don't particularly like Christmas, but a lot of people do and I'm happy for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chukamok View Post
    FFF, if you don't like Thanksgiving you don't have to dig for justification.(IE Trying to find out how may turkeys lost their lives or what our crazy forefathers did over 200 years ago).

    It's OK if you don't like Thanksgiving. You don't need a reason. I don't particularly like Christmas, but a lot of people do and I'm happy for them.
    I don't hate Thanksgiving. I'm just trying to learn some real history instead of school-filtered history.

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    As a non-American I have a question for you Americans. As I understand 'Thanksgiving' is essentially the American version of the 'Harvest festival', which is a Pagan festival that got stolen from them by Christians; So why the hell did turkeys become part of 'Thanksgiving'?








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    Because they're probably the largest game bird indigenous to the US and relatively common? Back in those days it was venison and turkey and whatever you raised yourself.
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    Why did it move from the date Canada still celebrate it, to nearer to Christmas, long after the harvest?

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