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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Ah, the old argument: am I my brother's keeper?

    It is disgusting to make a spectacle of suicide. Where is your moral clarity?
    Ahh, a conflict of Fe vs Fi.

    Why is making a spectacle of it disgusting?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Because it is wrong to celebrate what is antithetical to health and life?
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    Says who? Isn't death a part of life?
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    A single event can awaken within us a stranger totally unknown to us. To live is to be slowly born.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InaF3157 View Post
    Says who? Isn't death a part of life?
    Do you celebrate pain and suffering? Do you celebrate death? The whole spectrum of experience is a part of life, as you put it. Does this mean all experience is equivalent in value?
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Therein lies the disagreement (Not with me, we agree). It's becoming more and more of a clear pattern that NFJs, and to a lesser extent NFPs, are promoting the style of society where everyone is responsible for what happens to everyone else. It scares the shit out of me, to be honest, because you know how NFs can be with their ideals: Pretty loud.
    I guess I'm guilty as charged (though, as usual, you overstate in such a way that I can't really claim it), but I think it's a whole lot scarier to deny that what you do affects somebody else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    I guess I'm guilty as charged (though, as usual, you overstate in such a way that I can't really claim it), but I think it's a whole lot scarier to deny that what you do affects somebody else.
    Now who's exaggerating. I THINK IT'S YOU THIS TIME EILEEEEEEEEN! heh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Now who's exaggerating. I THINK IT'S YOU THIS TIME EILEEEEEEEEN! heh.
    I'm sure you do. You're incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    I'm sure you do. You're incorrect.
    Nobody's "Denying that what they do affects others." The question is of responsibility for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Nobody's "Denying that what they do affects others." The question is of responsibility for others.
    If you acknowledge that what you do affects others, then you are acknowledging at least some level of responsibility. I can't be held accountable for every decision that some highly sensitive person makes, but I can take responsibility for legitimate hurts (or helps) I offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Nobody's "Denying that what they do affects others." The question is of responsibility for others.
    Responsibility is rarely a yay or nay proposition. In this case, the situation involves the actions of multiple parties and responsibility is borne in different measure by all parties. The suicide for offing himself so impulsively and the mob for their incitement. Did they do anything illegal? I think not. Ethically wrong? That is obviously so.

    If I tell you, "You should go kill yourself." This is not ethical. Indeed, it is unethical. If so, then I am responsible for that.
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