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    Quote Originally Posted by Didums View Post



    I can't believe I got the honor to use both of those in 1 post together!
    Wow excellent job diagnosing your original post. Use your little abstraction powers and see what I did there diddums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    So let's make all "mean" words illegal!

    No thanks. There are too many infringements on free speech as it is. I'd prefer to stick to what can be undeniably proven to be direct cause (shouting "Fire" in a crowded theater is one such case). Anything more is leaving too much up to interpretation.
    I'm not against free speech. It wouldn't make sense to try to control the source of violence because even before it enters the realm of speech, it is an idea inside the mind. "Legal" or "illegal" have to be based on external, concrete outcomes that occur at the end of such processes. Is that a good enough reason to not examine the whole process of how violence comes into being? Why would identifying language as a first step in violence suggest any infringement on free speech? We all agree that language influences thoughts and behaviors. That is its function.

    This isn't a discussion that allows for hard conclusions to be drawn because it is all in that grey, undefinable area. However, it does provide an opportunity to examine some social and psychological processes that have tragic outcomes. I wonder if it is because it is upsetting that people lean towards assuming these absolute conclusions about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Intent can be proven where something substantial has been done, like premeditated murder. You have evidence of the planning. I'd like to see you explain how intent could be proven with any of those 1500 spectators.
    Intent is only important from a legal perspective if it led to an illegal act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    I'm not against free speech. It wouldn't make sense to try to control the source of violence because even before it enters the realm of speech, it is an idea inside the mind. "Legal" or "illegal" have to be based on external, concrete outcomes that occur at the end of such processes. Is that a good enough reason to not examine the whole process of how violence comes into being? Why would identifying language as a first step in violence suggest any infringement on free speech? We all agree that language influences thoughts and behaviors. That is its function.

    This isn't a discussion that allows for hard conclusions to be drawn because it is all in that grey, undefinable area. However, it does provide an opportunity to examine some social and psychological processes that have tragic outcomes. I wonder if it is because it is upsetting that people lean towards assuming these absolute conclusions about it.
    Good points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimahn View Post
    Wow excellent job diagnosing your original post. Use your little abstraction powers and see what I did there diddums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didums View Post
    First of all, this situation is nothing like the suicide case. The two families lived in the same neighborhood and the girls had been friends for years. This is not a case involving anonymous internet strangers. So congratulations on presenting another retarded example. You're on a roll.

    The local DA hasn't brought any charges against her because much of what has been reported to the media is false or completely blown out of proportion. She didn't commit a crime. She's being charged by the feds to appease the public. False media reports have whipped the mob into a frenzy and they demand blood, so they're getting blood. So much for rational application of the law.
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    Edited the post a long time ago buddy, don't worry about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Intent is only important from a legal perspective if it led to an illegal act.
    In your perfect world, would the 1500 be charged with facilitating a suicide, somehow?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didums View Post
    Edited the post a long time ago buddy, don't worry about it
    Awwwe Bluewing is training you how to be condescending as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    In your perfect world, would the 1500 be charged with facilitating a suicide, somehow?
    1. Upholding a standard is not equivalent to expecting the world to be perfect. I'm sorry if I fail to live up to some caricature you have for people concerned with moral conduct.
    2. No. AGAIN, I am not concerned with legality. I am concerned with responsibility ONLY for their behavior in a moral sense.
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