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    During the Vietnam war I was part of that huge misguided youth factor who refused to stand when the flag went by.

    Think I've got it figured out now. You can't make and maintain change without being "part of."

    This is my country and I'm a proud and loyal US citizen despite the fact that I dislike the direction that the generations following have taken.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Yes I know. Hence the smiley, you're basically the EU counterpart to an American patriotard
    I can see why you think this. But that is not true.
    For me the EU is just a transient fashion that has no real future.

    What I really want is humanity under one flag and EU seems like something that could lead in that direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    Then I like that you have consistency on this.
    What made you to think that I may not have consistency in my position?
    Is it something I wrote or just a hunch?



    The part about other guy and dying for your country and convictions was not directed at you Peguy.
    It was just a argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I can see why you think this. But that is not true.
    For me the EU is just a transient fashion that has no real future.

    What I really want is humanity under one flag and EU seems like something that could lead in that direction.
    Very well, I stand corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Very well, I stand corrected.

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    Well this is a litle bit more like it but again somehow it doesn't feel right.


    You are presuming that I am interested in society, the only reason way I say "One species one flag" is because it looks to me that this scenario would be best starting point to start a full scale exploration of space.
    That is in want I am actaully interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    What made you to think that I may not have consistency in my position?
    Is it something I wrote or just a hunch?
    Neither, it's just that most people agree that "dying for something/someone you believe in" is a good & virtuous thing. Without that, there isn't any argument to show a difference between that and "dying for your country". The whole thing becomes moot.

    How about this: In theme with your recent posts, do you think "dying for the sake of uniting humanity" is a worthy deed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    That is because I think that both options are BS.


    The point is that a guy on other side dies for his country and his conviction.
    This post was a sarcasm but it is also the truth.

    If you think of a sacrifice as spent time then you actually have a chance to prove something here.

    I don't support the "let't sacrifice ourselfs" culture. For me it is important that things get done and this approach is literally childish if you ask me.

    I simply don't believe in sacrificing yourself for goals. Especialy since goals could be wrong goals.
    For example people are usually shocked by one of my traits.
    I can support something one day and over the night I can come to understanding something or learn something and tomorow I will be against.
    People call this treson I call it intellectual progress.

    One stupid counter question
    In what ways I can sacrifice my life to really unite humanity?

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    I think people should think whatever they want of their own country. I place myself under no obligation to support my country, "right or wrong."

    I don't see any real logic in requiring a person to be patriotic just because they live here.

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    Patriotism is doing what you feel is right for your country of choice. If doing what is right includes civil disobedience, well, some take that route.

    Buying into everything without question is not patriotic, it's catatonic.

    Countries, like people, often behave badly. Supporting bad behavior that could hurt one's country is about as unpatriotic as one can get.

    I'd like to think that countries, communities, etc., exist for our shared self-preservation. If your country isn't doing that for you, you have no obligation to feel patriotism for your country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Hey, I just posted this patriotic poem in the "poems that moved you" thread, but I think it should go here, too, because it's relevant to the initial discussion (the one about what it means to be patriotic).
    Perhaps that could be summarized as:

    My country, right or wrong
    of thee I sing this song
    all the day long

    Land where my fathers slaved;
    Land of the natives' graves
    From every mountain cave

    Let Freedom spring

    (title kept reminding me of the original song).
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