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  • Democrat

    2 4.88%
  • Centralist

    5 12.20%
  • Republican

    3 7.32%
  • Conservative

    3 7.32%
  • Libertarian

    9 21.95%
  • Facist

    2 4.88%
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    3 7.32%
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    I would say I am very liberal, but I would love the opportunity to vote for Ron Paul.

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    What about Rue Paul...that would really shake those -ists and -atives up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by still water View Post
    What about Rue Paul...that would really shake those -ists and -atives up.
    Yah, at this point I think it would be a good idea to get as far away from the two party tradition as possible. A good ol' Constitutionalist would be a wonderful change of pace.

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    I am a classical liberal.
    A criticism that can be brought against everything ought not to be brought against anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Yah, at this point I think it would be a good idea to get as far away from the two party tradition as possible. A good ol' Constitutionalist would be a wonderful change of pace.
    I'm all for it, myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I'm all for it, myself.
    Can we reach and maintain a two-party system? The system seems to move towards and stabilize at two.

    Lesser groups / those with less resources clout either die or join forces with a larger group that has more potential to carry out their agenda, and eventually we are always back to two parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Can we reach and maintain a two-party system? The system seems to move towards and stabilize at two.
    That may be because the two major parties exert considerable gatekeeping behavior to keep third parties out of serious contention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    That may be because the two major parties exert considerable gatekeeping behavior to keep third parties out of serious contention.
    Sooooo..... is that anomalous for a two-party system? Or is it simply part of the inherent reality of how a political system stabilizes itself over time ... by reverting to a two-party system?

    (IOW, maybe you are criticizing reality for working the way it is designed and/or naturally works... which would explain why it's so difficult to break out of the two party system.)

    I admittedly don't have a great deal of concrete knowledge about political systems in use today. My impression of systems with more than two parties is that usually one party controlled everything and the other parties were marginalized, or the people in those parties cared less about having the power to do things and more just about affiliating themselves with groups of people sharing their ideology. (So in that sense, the parties in the system are not seriously competing and trying to gain control.)

    Would it be a general rule that a political system where power goes to the victor ends up resulting in a maximum of two real parties?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Would it be a general rule that a political system where power goes to the victor ends up resulting in a maximum of two real parties?
    It really just depends on the power structure and how the individuals benefit from being part of the party. IOW, the US is significantly geared around pork. There are no individual controls left - closed doors, bribes... Very little responsibility.

    In the case of the US, you are either part of one of the two parties (and they will vote for each other if need be, not along the lines of their morals or opinions) or your district gets virtually no pork. IOW, you pay, but get nothing back.

    The only exception I know of is Ron Paul who has undying support in his own consituency for his moral stances, despite him essentially robbing his area of money. It's a game of defect or get nothing.

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    Here's a more important question, to my mind: Gore Vidal once famously said that we have "...a single-party system, with two right wings."

    To what degree is he correct? I can easily observe that Robert Byrd and Jesse Helms had more in common with each other than with practically anyone outside the Beltway.

    To what degree is Republican/Democrat wrangling just a case of an entrenched political establishment playing good cop/bad cop with the electorate?

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