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  • Progressive

    7 17.07%
  • Democrat

    2 4.88%
  • Centralist

    5 12.20%
  • Republican

    3 7.32%
  • Conservative

    3 7.32%
  • Libertarian

    9 21.95%
  • Facist

    2 4.88%
  • Socialist

    3 7.32%
  • Other

    7 17.07%
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    Quote Originally Posted by HanoverFist View Post
    I don't think there is a best person for the job. They are all crooked and self serving.
    I agree. I'l go further and say we live in a coporate putocracy.

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    I voted progressive.

    but if progress has to be acheived through unprogressive means, so be it. if we hadn't killed Royalists in Europe back in the 17th and 18th century's, we'd still probably be slaves to monarchs to this day. So yeah, the world's ugly, and so is politics. and in reality I have discovered that there's no such thing as "absolute freedom". if you want private property, you have to pay to maintain a society that can uphold it. otherwise you're just claiming your right to autonomy by living off someone's hard work. same goes for peace; peace only exists when the enemy is anihilated.

    so yeah, my general view is socieities need leadership, you have to give up one desirable thing (freedom from the state) to gain another (protection by the state, which allows for the development of production), and you don't get something for nothing; and if you think you are, then it's coming out of someone else's pocket and one day they'll wake up to it. The big lie of the modern age is that good things come without a price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Qui Parla View Post
    I voted progressive.

    but if progress has to be acheived through unprogressive means, so be it. if we hadn't killed Royalists in Europe back in the 17th and 18th century's, we'd still probably be slaves to monarchs to this day. So yeah, the world's ugly, and so is politics. and in reality I have discovered that there's no such thing as "absolute freedom". if you want private property, you have to pay to maintain a society that can uphold it. otherwise you're just claiming your right to autonomy by living off someone's hard work. same goes for peace; peace only exists when the enemy is anihilated.

    so yeah, my general view is socieities need leadership, you have to give up one desirable thing (freedom from the state) to gain another (protection by the state, which allows for the development of production), and you don't get something for nothing; and if you think you are, then it's coming out of someone else's pocket and one day they'll wake up to it. The big lie of the modern age is that good things come without a price.
    That is all too true. The way you portrayed that point was almost as if you feel a lot of people don't realize that. Obviously the government is trying to facilitate that lie that you'd mentioned near the end but I think most people are easily able to see through it. Do you really feel as if that's not true?

    In regards to the main point of the thread I voted socialist. I used to be a pretty active socialist in terms of organization but I've kind of given that up just maintaining socialist ideals; I've come to the realization that nearly everyone who wishes to govern society well eventually become corrupted by power; the flaw about that political system in that case is humanity... and that can't be corrected... In reality I really am moderate nowadays, but that wasn't up there, and I didn't want to vote "other" while "socialist" was up there. Is centralist supposed to mean moderate? I've never heard that term in regards to politics before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    I agree. I'l go further and say we live in a coporate putocracy.
    I agree and I don't see much light at the end of the tunnel.
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    On pure social issues, I tend to go to the "social liberal" positions. On issues such as crime, education, economics, diplomacy, war, etc. I don't really have strong feelings either way, I'll just go with the strategy that seems to get the best results for the least costs. "good" results would be the usually suspects of a well run economy where everyone has food, health, housing, and a chance to advance, with low violence, etc. (the basics that probably most people agree on for most items.) My view of how to achieve that changes slightly all the time when new information comes in.

    I tend to be more optimistic/think about how to get things done when I do do politics related things. (So, for instance, if it seems that world is going to hell, my first thoughts will be how to make it go less to hell, if todays politics doesn't seem to have any good leaders out there, I'll naturally start wondering how to find some, and who the best available people are out of the leaders around at the moment.) Being pessimistic and depressed slows me down a lot in most other areas of life, and also does when thinking about politics. I need some sort of good result to possibly look forward to for doing something in order to do it, though I don't really do anything in politics.

    I tend to care much less about the pure morality issues than it seems a lot of other people do, so things such as abortion and gay marriage mostly bore me (Although I do sit in the "liberalish" positions for these unless future information comes along to change this). In order to get me interested and into some issue, there has to be some way of measuring how well a way of handling the issue works, and these types of measurements are lacking for abortion especially, and for other pure morality issues as well. (Gay marriage may not be a pure morality issue, but it is one of those things that fires people up morally a lot more than in other ways.)

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    I used to be a libertarian but I realized that the 19th century was the free market utopia they want and it sucked.

    Now I am sort of a liberal but not a government-solves-everything liberal because I know that people will use the power of the state to exploit people for personal gain just as they use the corporations to exploit us.

    I am socially liberal in a "live and let live just don't hurt anyone" way.

    Abortion: Not your womb, not your problem. Safe and legal. Old virgin men who have devoted their lives to their invisible friend should have no say in the matter (and should probably be committed).

    Gay marriage: Marriage is bullshit, let everyone, gay or straight, make each other next of kin or whatever needs to be done.

    Death penalty: No. If there is sufficient evidence to convict they get life in prison and no parole. If the body was in the guy's fridge break out the cattle prod and make him wish there was a death penalty.

    God on money/in the pledge/etc: Remove all invisible friends from state/public stuff. The pledge is fascist bullshit anyway.

    Guns: Put guns on a scale, the more powerful the harder to get. Bolt action .22? Licensed and registered. Semi auto pistol? Prove you need it, L&R. Assault rifels? Illegal for non law enforcement/military.

    FCC: I want to see boobs on cable in the afternoon and hear George Carlin on the radio. To hell with the christian taliban's warped morality.

    Free and equal health care and education for everyone.

    Bring home the military and sack Halliburton. This is all the CIA's fault anyway, they've been making a mess of things for 50 years.

    Tell the **AAs to STFU and DIAF. 7 year copyrights and no more. If someone is downloading your shit I doubt they would have bought it anyway. It's their own fault they haven't kept up with technology.

    All muslim nations should be converted to secular matriarchal dictatorships. Any man who harms a woman should be promptly crucified.

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    Poll Options:
    What are your political views?
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    Libertarian
    Facist
    Socialist
    Other
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    EDIT: Sassafrassquatch's last thought in his previous post cracks me up. I would be interested in Sona's take on that.

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    I see myself as a socialist. I have traditional 'pronounced' left wing economic ideas, but I am quite social conservative.:rolli:


    The things the left-wingers tend to agree with me.
    • I oppose imperialism.
    • I oppose monarchism.
    • I support public finance and progressive tax.
    • I support economic interventionism,the minimum wage and the welfare state.
    • I oppose globalisation.
    • I oppose nationalism.
    • I support equality of outcome.
    • I support secular governments.
    • I am anti-car, and pro-public transport
    • I support drug liberalisation even though I have never took any illegal drugs before.
    • I oppose most anti-terrorism legislation.
    • I oppose capital punishment, torture is much more fun.


    The things the right wingers tend to agree with me.

    • I dislike trade unions.
    • I oppose divorce.
    • I oppose the commercialisation of sex.
    • I oppose euthanasia.
    • I oppose abortion
    • I oppose stem cell research
    • I oppose affirmative action, political correctness and multiculturalism.
    • I support conscription for both men and women, but I would not have 'forced combat'.
    • I oppose same-sex marriage.
    • I oppose the commercialisation of sex.
    • I support nuclear weapons.
    • I oppose feminism.
    • I deny global warming is man-made, for fucks sake Oxford used to be a tropical Island where dinosaurs went on vacation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thalassa View Post
    Oh our 3rd person reference to ourselves denotes nothing more than we realize we are epic characters on the forum.

    Narcissism, plain and simple.

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    I HATE
    • Democrats
    • Republicans
    • Populists
    • Communists
    • Greens
    • Certain kinds of Socialists
    • Monarchists
    • Theocracies


    MY VIEWS
    • I don't mind same-sex marriage, as long as you're not doing it to seek attention.
    • I am pro-choice; in fact, I encourage abortion.
    • I think animal cruelty should be a capital offense.
    • I am against eating dog. Cultures that do so should be destroyed, for dogs are Man's Best Friend.
    • I think old people should be forbidden to drive.
    • I think old people should be forbidden to vote (after all, it's the young people who are the future!).
    • I hate religious people.
    • I hate humanists.
    • I oppose multiculturalism and political correctness.
    • I am against commercialization of sex.
    • I am pro-video game, I was a sociopath long before they existed. F*ck you, Jack Thompson!
    • I think children should be banned from public places...especially movie theaters.
    • I am in favor of spanking children. (Spare the rods, spoil the child.)
    • English should be the official language of America.
    • Foreigners without citizenship should not have rights.
    • Foreigners who do not speak English should not have rights.
    • American children of foreign immigrants who do not speak English should be exterminated.
    • I am in favor of cruel and unusual punishment.
    • I think that human prisoners should be the country's R&D lab rats.
    • I think killing children should be legal; after all, it's not like they pay taxes or anything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dufresne View Post
    Select the option that best fits you
    Please define the terms.
    What do they mean? Do you have links?
    I am in the woods.
    What is a libertarian? The word strikes odd to me.

    Who invented this word?
    It does not sound good.

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