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    Default Obama's charisma

    I'd like to point out a few things I've noticed after this election. Primarily,
    the confirmation of the majority of my assumptions about some of the voters. Mainly being that they seem to vote for Obama guy out of emotion, out of
    their hope for change, because he's going to save the world, and a number of other things many may or may not consider viable criteria for picking a candidate,with or without the real understanding of what Obama's policies are.
    I have seen those around me, and those on this forum who yelled out that that was not the reason for their choice (as well as those who admitted it prior to), come out and ADMIT it after the fact. In fact, even the media who was all over Obama's genitalia the entire time NOW, after the election, NOW comes out and starts to actually voice their fears about the guy. Not all, but some. That disgusts me, along with the infighting on the republican side against Palin.
    Don't be mistaken. I'm happy we have our first black president, a president who seems to have inspired many, especially blacks and other minorities. We no longer have the excuse that society holds us down and keeps us from achieving great things. While socialist policies would counteract that in the long run, at least for now all my brothers see how false the presumption that we are held down in America really is. Hopefully we can finally see an end to this lie that has been perpetuated and cultivated since we gained our freedom. I'm willing to give Obama a chance, until he mucks it up. I mean unless he mucks it up.

    I would like to ask, seriously, how significant a factor was Obama's charisma when you voted for him? Answer assuming you can objectively look back on your decision.

    And an interesting interview that describes pretty much exactly what non supporters of Obama know; his downright creepy messianic effect.

    Pundit & Pundette: Creepy cult of personality

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    Newsweek’s Evan Thomas and Jon Meacham shared a bizarre Obama love-fest session with Charlie Rose on the PBS host’s program on Wednesday. Meacham stated that he was "very struck watching the stagecraft" of Obama and pointed out how Obama gave his victory speech by himself: "...[H]ave you ever seen a victory speech where there was no one else on stage? No adoring wife, no cute kid -- he is the message." Thomas went one step further in this vein: "There is a slightly creepy cult of personality about all of this." Rose confronted him on his use of this phrase, and he explained that it made him "a little uneasy that he's so singular. He's clearly managing his own spectacle. He knows how to do it. He's a -- I think, a deeply manipulative guy..." Later, all three marveled about how it was "amazing" that Obama "watches us watching him."

    Thomas and Meacham appeared during the second segment of Rose’s program on Wednesday night. The host first asked Thomas about how Obama seemed to be "always in charge of this campaign." After giving an anecdote about a meeting in which Obama discussed his vice presidential pick with his advisers, Thomas commented that Obama is very inclusive, yet very self-contained. It's an unusual leadership style."
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    Rose then turned to Meacham and asked if it was known when he decided that he wanted to be president. Meacham first joked that it was just after the now president-elect had left eighth grade, and then continued in the same line of thought as his Newsweek colleague: "I think, to play off what Evan just said, he's -- he is very elusive -- Obama, which is fascinating for a man who has written two memoirs. He's the chief custodian of the story of Obama. He is a stand-alone brand."

    The three then had their exchange over Obama’s "creepy cult of personality:"

    MEACHAM: I was very struck watching the stagecraft -- and this comes out again and again in the project -- in Grant Park [Chicago], he walks out with the family, and then they go away. Biden’s back, you know, locked in the bar or something, you know --

    (Rose laughs.)

    MEACHAM: They don’t let him out. And have you ever seen a victory speech where there was no one else on stage? No adoring wife, no cute kid -- he is the message.

    THOMAS: There is a slightly creepy cult of personality about all of this. I mean, he is such an admirable --

    ROSE: ‘Slightly creepy cult of personality’?

    THOMAS: Yes.

    ROSE: What’s ‘slightly creepy’ about it?

    THOMAS: It just makes me a little uneasy that he’s so singular. He’s clearly managing his own spectacle. He knows how to do it. He’s a -- I think, a deeply manipulative guy -- you know, this could be a useful thing in a leader --

    ROSE: How so is he ‘deeply manipulative’?

    THOMAS: I think he's always in control, you know -- he controls events, events don't control him. He's a pretty calm guy. He seem to be able to get people to do pretty much what he wants.

    I think the key moment, to answer your question -- when did he have this inking. I think it's when he was running for -- to be the president of the Harvard Law Review. He would spend a lot of time searching for himself, and deciding that he was a black man -- and he goes to Harvard and there's this politically-correct frought time, and there are conservatives and there are liberals. He manages to persuade all of them that he's on their side....And he realizes that people want to help him. They want to help him. It makes people feel good to help -- And this is an important insight for him. Oh my gosh, I have this gift. I have this knack. People are going to want to help -- want to help me. I'll let them help me, all the way to the White House. I'll bet you that was the first time. That's when he starts to write his memoir, and the memoir stops before he gets to Harvard....He leaves out the critical chapter, because I think the critical moment then is when he realizes he has got this gift, and he is going to ride it as far as he possibly can.

    Meacham then "slightly disagreed" with his colleague’s "slightly creepy" assessment, and compared Obama to FDR and Reagan. Rose replied to this by gushing over the president-elect’s charisma and ability to speak. The two Newsweek editors wholeheartedly agreed.

    MEACHAM: He writes in ‘Audacity of Hope’ -- and I think every presidential candidate should have to write memoirs because they are inadvertently revealing often, but he’s very explicit. He understands the character of Obama in this drama he's constructed. It's fascinating. He says, ‘I am a screen on which people project their visions, their hopes,’ and he could be a redemptive figure as long as race was implicit and not explicit. As long as he was as, you know, smart as he could be, work as hard as he could -- as Evan says, create a FDR-like circle around him with everyone trying to help him, he could be the center of attention, the star of this, and that's, I think -- and this is -- I slightly disagree. I don't think it's creepy. I think it's -- I think it's like Reagan. I think it's like great charismatic leaders who project brilliantly, but who are, in fact, in control -- very much in control behind the scenes.

    ROSE: Watching him last night -- that speech when he’s out there alone, and watching him in Denver, same thing -- when he's making a speech. He -- he knows the power of his ability to speak, and there is at the end, when he finishes it -- you know, with certain speakers, there's a kind -- they're overwhelmed by the enthusiasm of the moment.

    MEACHAM: Right, right.

    ROSE: You know? And that they're walking from -- and his is a much more -- he finishes, and he sort of -- it’s almost like he then ascends to look at the circumstance --

    MEACHAM: He watches us watching him.

    ROSE: Exactly. He does --

    MEACHAM: It's amazing.

    ROSE: It is amazing.

    MEACHAM: And, you know, you read about Bobby -- Bobby Kennedy fed off it, right?

    THOMAS: Oh, absolutely. I mean, it was a direct elemental contact.

    ROSE: And so does -- so does Bill Clinton.

    THOMAS: He is more closer to Jack [Kennedy]. Jack was the one who could stand back and watch himself being watched.

    What really is "creepy" is watching these three talk about Obama.

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    I want to have his black baby.
    *eyes spinning around in a hallucinogenic trance*

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    I don't understand the bias against charisma.

    Just because someone is charismatic does not necessarily means it's exploitative or wrong. People have charisma because people feel they're being heard, understood, and connected with by the charismatic speaker.

    Obama is charismatic because he connects with people and their dreams and fears. That's actually a positive.

    The power can be exploited, but it can't be disregarded or vilified wholesale. Intelligence can be exploited, or statistics, or duty, or patriotism, or a host of other things too that you're not really concerned with. It comes across like a bias on your part because you just happen to be suspicious of anyone who happens to be evocative and inspire people by the way they communicate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I want to have his black baby.

    *eyes spinning around in a hallucinogenic trance*
    The baby would only be 1/4 black . lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    The baby would only be 1/4 black . lol.
    How do you know I'm not black myself?





    rofl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    How do you know I'm not black myself?





    rofl.
    Well, your pictures might suggest otherwise, but you're black enough on the inside, soul sista .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Well, your pictures might suggest otherwise, but you're black enough on the inside, soul sista .
    Pictures are actually very weak proof.



    I think that Obama is not that much charismatic as media are proposing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I want to have his black baby.
    *eyes spinning around in a hallucinogenic trance*

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    I don't understand the bias against charisma.

    Just because someone is charismatic does not necessarily means it's exploitative or wrong. People have charisma because people feel they're being heard, understood, and connected with by the charismatic speaker.

    Obama is charismatic because he connects with people and their dreams and fears. That's actually a positive.

    The power can be exploited, but it can't be disregarded or vilified wholesale. Intelligence can be exploited, or statistics, or duty, or patriotism, or a host of other things too that you're not really concerned with. It comes across like a bias on your part because you just happen to be suspicious of anyone who happens to be evocative and inspire people by the way they communicate.
    Me, being a strictly logical type who likes to look at facts as objectively as possible first, THEN use those facts to form my own opinions (which are by nature subjective), I feel that swaying to such things as charisma directly interferes with that process. Whether he abuses his charisma or not, I believe it keeps many people from objectively looking at the guy, in all the depth of his character he has exposed.

    The race is over, and he's our president. We all have to accept that fact. I just wonder (the reason why I made this thread) how significant his charisma is, and how much the people's belief in him might push us all in whatever direction this president desires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    The baby would only be 1/4 black . lol.
    one drop rule in amurkah, dude.

    Anyway, yes, I think the effect of his charisma cannot be denied.
    But here's the thing: for those who are inclined towards skepticism, it may have hurt Obama's case. The last thing smart, ever-so-sober skeptics and contrarians want to do is side with someone who whips up mass hysteria by sheer dint of his charisma. However, he was a pretty good candidate to many politically despite the charisma. He could have oddly had to overcome his rep for charisma to win over those people who are so averse to joining the drooling masses. I've seen it with my own eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I want to have his black baby.
    *eyes spinning around in a hallucinogenic trance*

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    I don't understand the bias against charisma.

    Just because someone is charismatic does not necessarily means it's exploitative or wrong. People have charisma because people feel they're being heard, understood, and connected with by the charismatic speaker.

    Obama is charismatic because he connects with people and their dreams and fears. That's actually a positive.

    The power can be exploited, but it can't be disregarded or vilified wholesale. Intelligence can be exploited, or statistics, or duty, or patriotism, or a host of other things too that you're not really concerned with. It comes across like a bias on your part because you just happen to be suspicious of anyone who happens to be evocative and inspire people by the way they communicate.
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    This was all expected. Did I forget to warn y'all? I thought surely I'd taken care of that.

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