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    Quote Originally Posted by MadamI'madaM View Post
    The fact that we didn't hear about any on bush makes me think definitely not.
    This represents an analysis failure, at least in spirit.

    Consider the type of people who are most opposed to an Obama presidency, and the type of people who are most opposed to a Bush presidency. Who carries guns, and who carries flowers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Never underestimate an idealist. Now, I don't estimate that Obama will kill millions of people, but shifting the purpose of government does affect millions of people, and it begs the question of comparison, if we're talking one idealist versus another.
    True enough, though considering we don't know yet which way Obama will take us, we shouldn't assume straight-up that it'll be a negative effect on millions of people. I suppose only time will tell that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoryOfMyLife View Post
    True enough, though considering we don't know yet which way Obama will take us, we shouldn't assume straight-up that it'll be a negative effect on millions of people. I suppose only time will tell that much.
    My vague argument implied that certain idealists about may well consider his actions to have a negative effect on millions of people, and could easily justify any action toward Obama because of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    This represents an analysis failure, at least in spirit.

    Consider the type of people who are most opposed to an Obama presidency, and the type of people who are most opposed to a Bush presidency. Who carries guns, and who carries flowers?
    Lots of the people who would ever do something like that are opposed to american government in general and might even come from foreign countries.

    Call me prejudiced, but I seriously doubt the tactical intelligence abilities of the KKK crowd. At the very best, they might get through and wack a double.

    It seems to me that the sensible antifederalist militias/bombers (possibly racist as well) would've tried bush after the patriot act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadamI'madaM View Post
    Call me prejudiced, but I seriously doubt the tactical intelligence abilities of the KKK crowd. At the very best, they might get through and wack a double.
    I'm discussing attempts, not successes.

    It seems to me that the sensible antifederalist militias/bombers (possibly racist as well) would've tried bush after the patriot act.
    These people hold ideals further from Obama than even post-Patriot Act Bush.

    Would you like to know more?
    I haven't been to AR-15.com forums in a long time, but I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts you'll find some riled up S.O.B.s over there right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I'm discussing attempts, not successes.


    These people hold ideals further from Obama than even post-Patriot Act Bush.

    Would you like to know more? I haven't been to AR-15.com forums in a long time, but I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts you'll find some riled up S.O.B.s over there right now.
    Yeah, gun sales did just go apeshit, even by bailout standards.

    My guesses:
    If a real half ass attempt is made, they'll try to cover it up. (now that he's President)

    If a half ass attempt gets huge coverage, it was probably an inside job.

    If he actually bites it, who the fuck knows what really happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoryOfMyLife View Post
    Ah-ah-- don't take my words out of context please. I didn't say it was closed-minded to not accept socialism-- but to not accept Obama because he has socialist ideas ...
    How is that close-minded? You might as well say someone is close-minded for not supporting a politician because he has racist ideas, or because he wants to turn the United States into a monarchy. People reject socialism out of principle and enlightened self-interests. Obviously, any modern economy has some combination of socialism and capitalism, and I am not opposed to Obama because he supports a mixed economy per se; I am opposed to Obama (at least in part) because he places more inherent value on socialist principles and assumptions than their classical liberal counterparts. He wants to enact redistributive policies in order to promote relative material equality in pursuit of "fairness," rather than promote policies for the purposes of growing the economy and maximizing government revenues. He is also contemptuous of Constitutional safeguards that were intended to limit the power of government to deprive individuals/federal localities of their rights/sovereignty for the sake of electoral gain, a major liberal principle THAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL REASON FOR THIS COUNTRY'S VERY EXISTENCE. And, while Obama himself wisely uses more moderate language to promote similar policies (for presumably the same ends), he has a very well-documented history of extensive associations with figures that utilize extreme class-warfare and racially-charged rhetoric, dividing American citizens into permanent opposing groups (in pure socialist fashion) rather than a dynamic collection of fluid political coalitions, as per the liberal ideal.

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    ^^ Good post. That's pretty much what I meant, but I don't like making long posts and I was too tired to even bother, last night.
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    I really hope he's not assassinated... and I didn't vote for the man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    This represents an analysis failure, at least in spirit.

    Consider the type of people who are most opposed to an Obama presidency, and the type of people who are most opposed to a Bush presidency. Who carries guns, and who carries flowers?
    I'm glad someone else said this. For some reason I consider the likelihood of a democratic president being assassinated much higher than a republican.

    My family generally has republican views, but they tend to vote democratic because "Republicans will take our money away" (I'm not sure about their logic on this, but it's what they believe). Sometimes the males in my family vote Republican because "[insert democrat] wants to take my guns away!" (Don't ask me about the logic behind this either; I don't know the answer.) Most of the people from the small country town I'm from have the same view in the latter quote; they also still claim that Obama is Muslim and whatnot. I'm so glad I live in the city now... The republicans are at least informed; I can respect that.

    I'm not really sure where I was going with this, but I couldn't pass up the opportunity to mention the small town republican's obsession with guns.
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