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    Quote Originally Posted by Darjur View Post
    Oh, I'm fully aware of the economic implications of capitalism and communism, but I was by no means referring to the economic aspect, more to the social one. What I was more referring to were the >12 hour jobs and slave like lives lived by the mass majority of the city folk.
    You should try running a farm sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    You should try running a farm sometime.
    If it's a communal farm, people spend most of their time prancing around in a field of daisies. People only have to work on those capitalist farms.
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    For semi-literate whites and freed slaves in the second half of the 19th-Century, working in a factory with a 6-day week and a 10- to 12-hour workday was Paradise compared to subsistence farming, sharecropping, or slavery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    For semi-literate whites and freed slaves in the second half of the 19th-Century, working in a factory with a 6-day week and a 10- to 12-hour workday was Paradise compared to subsistence farming, sharecropping, or slavery.
    How dare you ruin a perfectly good rant with context!
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    For semi-literate whites and freed slaves in the second half of the 19th-Century, working in a factory with a 6-day week and a 10- to 12-hour workday was Paradise compared to subsistence farming, sharecropping, or slavery.
    Well, yes, but none of those can compare with prancing around in a field of daisies, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    Essentially both of these ideologies are horrible when taken to extreme, but beneficial when implemented at some point in between. It's finding the right point in the continuum that people really disagree on.
    I can agree with that - I believe that the "right point in the continuum" is definately on the capitalism side, but there has been regulation - such as child labor laws - that has protected the liberty of the people. The debate seems to be where to draw the line, which is mainly determined by what what you believe is the purpose of government.

    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Well, yes, but none of those can compare with prancing around in a field of daisies, after all.
    Okay, you've sold me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silence11 View Post
    In saying that "Pure capitalism is just as bad as pure communism" you seemed to be comparing capitalism to communism and saying that it is "just as bad, if not worse". I'm not sure what other point you could have been trying to make. Focasing the issue on the fact that no "pure" capitalist state has ever existed is beside the point.

    I take issue with the idea that capitalsim in general is somehow equal to or comparibly worse than communism. I believe that to be historically flawed logic simply because communism has already proven itself to be a failed form of government, especially in comparison to capitalism which happens to be the underlining economic engine for the most prosperous nations in the world.
    Yes, I was comparing capitalism and communism, but please explain to me as to how was I referring to America in any point of that?

    Do workers in America have any rights?
    Does the country provide anything at all to you?
    Does the country intervene in any way at all posible or give regulations to privately owned industries?

    If you answered yes to any of those, good job, you can't call yourself a purely capitalistic state and thus it falls out of the context I was referring to.

    Like I already said before, I am fully aware of the economic implications of each government system, what I also said is that I don't care if a choice isn't the best economically.
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    Essentially both of these ideologies are horrible when taken to extreme, but beneficial when implemented at some point in between. It's finding the right point in the continuum that people really disagree on.
    Thank you for actually saying that, which I had meant to for the last few pages.
    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    You should try running a farm sometime.
    No thanks, the life of a farmer has no appeal to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    For semi-literate whites and freed slaves in the second half of the 19th-Century, working in a factory with a 6-day week and a 10- to 12-hour workday was Paradise compared to subsistence farming, sharecropping, or slavery.
    It highly depends on ones views and perspectives. I know countless people who highly preferred life back in the CCCP even thought we could only be called a "center" state with slight leaning towards socialism at best nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darjur View Post
    how was I referring to America in any point of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darjur View Post
    Yes, I was comparing capitalism and communism, but please explain to me as to how was I referring to America in any point of that?
    Great... now you've got me quoting myself:

    In saying that "Pure capitalism is just as bad as pure communism" you seemed to be comparing capitalism to communism and saying that it is "just as bad, if not worse". I'm not sure what other point you could have been trying to make. Focasing the issue on the fact that no "pure" capitalist state has ever existed is beside the point.

    I take issue with the idea that capitalsim in general is somehow equal to or comparibly worse than communism. I believe that to be historically flawed logic simply because communism has already proven itself to be a failed form of government, especially in comparison to capitalism which happens to be the underlining economic engine for the most prosperous nations in the world."
    Now let's play the word game where you search for the word 'America' somewhere in that statement and then maybe you can explain to me how I claimed that you were referring to America in any point of that.

    EDIT: And one more question...

    Quote Originally Posted by Darjur View Post
    Do workers in America have any rights?
    Are you saying that "workers having rights" is anti-capitalist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    For semi-literate whites and freed slaves in the second half of the 19th-Century, working in a factory with a 6-day week and a 10- to 12-hour workday was Paradise compared to subsistence farming, sharecropping, or slavery.
    You're right. Those aspects of Capitalism are even worse than what I previously mentioned.
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