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    Quote Originally Posted by Maabus1999 View Post
    Die has been cast. It is now a test of time for the future for him, like most Presidents. We'll also find what he really believes in the next year (is it the super left Obama from the primaries or the Center from the election).

    Still, with Congress broken, things will remain the same. Pelosi is a tad scary for setting the law schedue. However the next 2 years are for the Democrats to lose. They have no opposition. If they screw up (and with Congress broken IMO...), yeah. They may get a few laws through that may have lasting impact though (good or bad, test of time).

    Anyways, hopefully they boost alternative energy and infrastructure (job wise) correctly, while not cutting overall defense spending drastically (minus the war funds). That is all I'm looking for for this term from the Dems. If they do anything else too extreme, well, we will revisist this in 4 years shall we?

    Summary: Stay Center and I'll be happy.
    Pelosi is scary. She's such a terrible choice for majority leader.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    We were never neutral.

    We were shocked and horrified by the attack on New York and offered our full support.

    We don't like to let down our mates and we stick by our allies through thick and thin.

    Just as we stood by your fine country when it was attacked.

    We don't measure our friends by popularity or by success.

    And of course we share the happiness and celebration at the election of a new President.

    This is the glory of liberal democracy.
    That's very true. Time to be "agreeable" with you once more... :rolli:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    While Obama is president, tomorrow there will still be a recession.
    Technically, there's still no real recession and if the economy improves in the next year or two it will probably be all attributed to Obama, before he's done anything. :rolleyes2:
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Europe was doing this long before 9/11 because we refused to do things like give up our sovereignty to an International Criminal Court, or wreck our economy for the sake of the self-evidently counter-productive Kyoto Protocol. In terms of international opinion, we always operate at a disadvantage because most liberal democracies have a major socialist party, leading between 33% and 60% of their populations to view us somewhat negatively, all else being equal.
    Good heavens, we have the oldest social democratic party in the world, the Labor Party.

    And not only do both sides of Parliament, the Conservatives and Labor, support the American Alliance, but the people of Australia support the Alliance.

    And this is true for many of our neighbours in the region.

    America is not only viewed positively, it is viewed as essential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post

    America is not only viewed positively, it is viewed as essential.
    That's true in Europe too.

    The Bushian era was not a disaster for America only, but for us too, because we are all part of the same family, living in the same boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    That's very true. Time to be "agreeable" with you once more... :rolli:
    You know, we are almost French. It was only by a matter of hours that Lieutenant Cook beat La Perouse to Oz.

    Can you image Oz as a French speaking Continent? What we missed out on! But we can dream.

    It might be too much to say that everyone wants to be a Frenchman, perhaps it is just a secret wish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post

    During the Bush's era, America's popularity has dropped to such a low levels, never seen in your entire history. And in your isolationist bubble, a lot of you never seemed to bother or to be aware of that.

    Is this true where you're from or is it your word selection? Speaking generally for Canada, we love Americans (well, sorta) but hated their president. There's a distinct difference.
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    I think it would be kind of cool if the rest of the world suddenly loved us just because Obama got elected. But no one who MATTERS to our political interests has changed their mind for the better. Anyone who believes otherwise is simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Good heavens, we have the oldest social democratic party in the world, the Labor Party.

    And not only do both sides of Parliament, the Conservatives and Labor, support the American Alliance, but the people of Australia support the Alliance.

    And this is true for many of our neighbours in the region.

    America is not only viewed positively, it is viewed as essential.
    I remember what the international climate was like before 9/11. The United States was maligned as the "hyperpower" behind globalization and rapacious, "wild capitalism," and basically held up as the epitome of everything the Socialist parties were opposed to. In general, parties belonging to the Socialist International regarded the United States as an obstacle to their own goals and aspirations. This attitude impacted the perceptions of Europeans, who became inclined to view the motivations, not just the wisdom, of any American action in a negative light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    Is this true where you're from or is it your word selection? Speaking generally for Canada, we love Americans (well, sorta) but hated their president. There's a distinct difference.
    Maybe it's my own choice of words then (sorry, I'm not a native english speaker), because I think most of the French people feel the same as you describe.

    Just as you see, I have lot of American friends, I even lived more than a year within this country (and probably more in the future). I love America, we all love it. This explains why the Bushian decade was so absurdly tragic.

    But now it's over, and gone for well!

    Let's end the misunderstanding, as the friends and allies we never ceased to be.

    Let's ban the liberty fries!
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