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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I am not trying to be a dick here, but reading something like that really disappoints me as an American. It's very frustrating, and I hope the sentiment isn't shared by nearly as many non-Americans as you suggest.


    It never once occurred to you that within the last decade our nation became one of the most despised by other countries?

    Have you been living under a rock or what?

    Anyhow-- I'm more than thrilled by Obama's win. For us to see something like this in our lifetime-- in my parents' and grandparents' lifetimes, nonetheless...it's a momentous, EPIC time for this country.

    We went from slavery to segregation, to living peaceably [sometimes] side by side--- to having a black president. To me, this is an amazing feat..history in the making. And regardless of your political preference you're still a part of this history...
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    I know that the Brazilians felt that the US was only out for itself and didn't care a thing about them. They were convinced that the US would be willing to do and take whatever they wished to in order to get ahead, but if you follow Latin American politics you can understand the mistrust in a way.

    Europe can speak for itself quite sufficiently
    The best things the United States can do for other countries are A) declare universal free trade with any country who will return the favor; and B) stop getting all up in other countries' businesses.
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    It's a VERY widely held sentiment in the are of South America where I was... and my Friends of Europe friends in college sounded quite like Blackmail! as well..... just sayin'
    Universal among the expats I worked with too. The feelings anyway, maybe not so much the details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    The best things the United States can do for other countries are A) declare universal free trade with any country who will return the favor; and B) stop getting all up in other countries' businesses.
    Free trade is what's pissing off several Latin American countries! Butting out would definitley improve US image though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    A lot of americans have no idea how much effect will this outcome have on the outside world, but we do.
    Tonight a majority of americans have elected more than a simple man, but the true symbol we all needed. Yes, a symbol.

    I hope this man will not only reconcile your divided nation, but the entire western world and even more. I hope he will be able to mend the tremendous diplomatical damage the Bush administration have done, during the most idiotic decade ever sustained by your country.

    During the Bush's era, America's popularity has dropped to such a low levels, never seen in your entire history. And in your isolationist bubble, a lot of you never seemed to bother or to be aware of that. ...
    First off this is such an assumption!. I'm speechless over it in fact every time I see someone claim this.

    Secondly, it wasn't Bush objectives that launced much of what the Bush administration carried out, it was PNAC objectives laid out in 2000 in their documents that anyone may read online and their objectives have not yet been met. I'm holding my breath before breathing a big sigh of relief on that one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    That's sad. To love a country when it does what you like, then call it stupid when it does something you don't like? To claim that the United States is in an "isolationist bubble?" Christ, if ONLY we were isolationists. I am sorry, but that post deserves a giant headshake.
    Europe was doing this long before 9/11 because we refused to do things like give up our sovereignty to an International Criminal Court, or wreck our economy for the sake of the self-evidently counter-productive Kyoto Protocol. In terms of international opinion, we always operate at a disadvantage because most liberal democracies have a major socialist party, leading between 33% and 60% of their populations to view us somewhat negatively, all else being equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I am not trying to be a dick here, but reading something like that really disappoints me as an American. It's very frustrating, and I hope the sentiment isn't shared by nearly as many non-Americans as you suggest.
    Frankly, you can pick ANY european democracy you want, if we had to choose between Obama and Mac Cain, just as I told you Obama would have been elected not with a landslide, but with a dictator score, something between 80-90%.

    You know, we may not vote in the USA, but we followed very, very carefully your own election. For us it's extremely important, maybe you don't realize how much. I live in Paris, it's 6h20 in the morning, and yet I hear joyful people in the nearby street. The news is everywhere, many friends tried to be awake this night to experience that historical moment, just like I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoryOfMyLife View Post


    It never once occurred to you that within the last decade our nation became one of the most despised by other countries?

    Have you been living under a rock or what?

    This post is pretty ignorant. I will assume you've NEVER seen any of my political posts before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    The best things the United States can do for other countries are A) declare universal free trade with any country who will return the favor; and B) stop getting all up in other countries' businesses.
    We have a free trade agreement with you, with which we are very happy.

    Our free trade agreement complements our ANZUS Treaty and our Antarctic Treaty with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Now it's time not to be neutral anymore.

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    Frankly, you have no idea how proud the world is tonight to have found the America we all love once again.

    A lot of americans have no idea how much effect will this outcome have on the outside world, but we do.
    Tonight a majority of americans have elected more than a simple man, but the true symbol we all needed. Yes, a symbol.

    I hope this man will not only reconcile your divided nation, but the entire western world and even more. I hope he will be able to mend the tremendous diplomatical damage the Bush administration have done, during the most idiotic decade ever sustained by your country.

    During the Bush's era, America's popularity has dropped to such a low levels, never seen in your entire history. And in your isolationist bubble, a lot of you never seemed to bother or to be aware of that.

    But this is now the past, we should forget those bleak times of resentment, cynicism and incomprehension.
    Because suddenly, within one day, the entire planet feels the need to dream about America once more. It's always in time of crisis that people feel the need to be (re)united, and Obama has understood this fundamental truth. You have chosen someone I expect to be an outstanding man. He's black, he's smart, and one of the most powerful rhetorician I've ever heard. He's a living symbol of how America looks at its best.

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    You american people may not be the one to feel the need to party tonight. It's crazy, but I'm almost crying of joy.

    I have kept this bottle of Champagne far too long!

    To hope!
    Unfortunately, being you do now live in the US, you can't see with your own eyes while it will unite others, it will still divide many more. I see it every day. There is a long road to go in that regard. A long, long road. However, it is good to see a lot of energy in minorities and my (young) generation. I just question the follow through for most people and agree there is a high chance of disillusionment within this country due to how the fact most people are clueless how the government works in this country. I'm actually going to be intrigued on how Obama's hope versus Congress' corrupted inefficiencies plays out. Remember now, being Obama is in the executive branch now, he has zero true power over the legislative part now beyond his check and balance of a veto (which he won't use most likely with Dems in power).

    Too bad the Supreme Court found the line item veto unconstitutional under Bill Clinton. I completely disagree with that finding and truly believe it hurts our country.

    Plus I find it highly ironic talking about unity when you look at how the EU governments sometimes behave. Truth be told, I think you guys could use a dose of more centralized government or you will have the coefficient of efficiency breathing down your neck.

    I do love your social melting pots known as cities when I travel over there. Haven't been to Paris yet though.

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