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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    It's one thing to be profoundly dissatisfied, it's another to make it sound like all doomsday is about to happen when, realistically, no one outside the USA sees it that way.

    Hard financial/political/environmental times? Yes. But he just appears panicky about any sort of change that I think could be solved by backpacking Asia and learning to relax, IMO.
    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Sooooo. . . he DOESN'T sound like someone who is afraid of any sort of change? Because that is what you just said.
    Poor grammar? How about, "He appears panicky about any sort of change. IMO, his worldview could be less doomsday-like if he took off for a few months and learned to relax in a world very different than the one he knows" (i.e. Asia/Africa, etc.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    Poor grammar? How about, "He appears panicky about any sort of change. IMO, his worldview could be less doomsday-like if he took off for a few months and learned to relax in a world very different than the one he knows" (i.e. Asia/Africa, etc.)
    I don't see how going to a different country would have anything to do with what he obviously fears is going here. I've traveled to like fifteen countries around the world, and I am deeply dissatisfied with what is happening in this country. I am not into fringe conspiracies, but dissatisfaction with the federal government isn't a sign of being "panicky" or not knowing anything about other countries. It's a sign of a brain that works.
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    It seems to me like Risen believes himself a member of some underground resistance faction lead by Joseph McCarthy.

    Let's hope he really does have the grit and resolve to rescue all us fools from the commies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I don't see how going to a different country would have anything to do with what he obviously fears is going here. I've traveled to like fifteen countries around the world, and I am deeply dissatisfied with what is happening in this country. I am not into fringe conspiracies, but dissatisfaction with the federal government isn't a sign of being "panicky" or not knowing anything about other countries. It's a sign of a brain that works.
    I suppose my "different country" argument is more representative...

    In a bureaucratic system, people thrive at the expense of others struggling. If he's so adamantly against socialism, then he shouldn't get upset that the shift in power structure is changing who the elites are (slightly).
    (Which isn't to say one can't or shouldn't disagree with the people in power--but he is so adamantly against socialism it makes for a double standard when he voices all these doomsday features.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    I suppose my "different country" argument is more representative...

    In a bureaucratic system, people thrive at the expense of others struggling. If he's so adamantly against socialism, then he shouldn't get upset that the shift in power structure is changing who the elites are (slightly).
    (Which isn't to say one can't or shouldn't disagree with the people in power--but he is so adamantly against socialism it makes for a double standard when he voices all these doomsday features.)
    I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. What is the double standard?
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    Mercury, can you see anyway in which Risen seems out of touch, naive, ignorant, or unreasonable? I know that you apparently agree with the general point he makes, but think as if this were a critical reading class. Just because you agree with the thesis does not mean the writer or the essay is any good.

    Do you see nothing substantially wrong with the things Risen says, or how he says them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Mercury, can you see anyway in which Risen seems out of touch, naive, ignorant, or unreasonable? I know that you apparently agree with the general point he makes, but think as if this were a critical reading class. Just because you agree with the thesis does not mean the writer or the essay is any good.

    Do you see nothing substantially wrong with the things Risen says, or how he says them?

    You've missed the point entirely. I do think that Risen is a little taken with conspiratorial ideas and silly websites and is not always coherent. However, most of the criticism in this thread is unfounded userhername was inconsistent and the whole thing about not visiting other countries was irrelevant; you made a big logical leap. "(U)nderground resistance faction led by Joseph McCarthy?" Really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    You've missed the point entirely. I do think that Risen is a little taken with conspiratorial ideas and silly websites and is not always coherent. However, most of the criticism in this thread is unfounded userhername was inconsistent and the whole thing about not visiting other countries was irrelevant; you made a big logical leap. "(U)nderground resistance faction led by Joseph McCarthy?" Really?
    I would agree, if I thought that the OP had given anything to reject. Unfortunately, it's a bit too far gone with the whole "the communists are coming to get us" routine. It stereotypically exemplifies the wrong with the republican-right. Worse, these old fears were used to strip away liberties then, just as they were for the last ~7 years. That's pretty ironic.

    Being *against* Obama is one thing, but this talking point is simply too much from the neo-conservative/farther right handbook. Normally, that'd be ok if it could be discussed, but this one simply has no relevance. It's like a horribly reduced historical version of "for the children"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    I would agree, if I thought that the OP had given anything to reject. Unfortunately, it's a bit too far gone with the whole "the communists are coming to get us" routine. It stereotypically exemplifies the wrong with the republican-right. Worse, these old fears were used to strip away liberties then, just as they were for the last ~7 years. That's pretty ironic.

    Being *against* Obama is one thing, but this talking point is simply too much from the neo-conservative/farther right handbook. Normally, that'd be ok if it could be discussed, but this one simply has no relevance. It's like a horribly reduced historical version of "for the children"!

    I think what Risen was TRYING to convey was that America would never go down in a Communist coup or revolution, but that incremental erosion of liberty could happen for a long enough time that the end result could be totalitarianism. Alarmist? Maybe. Inaccurate? I think not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I think what Risen was TRYING to convey was that American would never go down in a Communist coup or revolution, but that incremental erosion of liberty could happen for a long enough time that the end result could be totalitarianism. Alarmist? Maybe. Inaccurate? I think not.
    I think he is accurate. (Although I don't know where the optimal inflexion point is, we clearly disagree on where it would, I tend to side with the liberty folk, except in quite a few economic areas.)

    But! He took the talking point from one of the worst recent parties during a time where that exact fear he was using was also used to strip liberties. That's the irony.

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