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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    I doubt it. It's when the average person opens up their mail and sees a higher bill that it will decline. That's normally how it works...

    (Of course, is that the line at which people freeze is arbitary. In the "free market", no one would help them out either, and some would freeze.... maybe more would now, but it's not like this plan suddenly pushes over a line. But it would be socialist to say that they should be subsidised so that doesn't happen in the free market, of course.)


    I guess all of those charities that make sure people have heating oil and winter clothes drives never happened. If you can satisfactorily explain how a free market would mean "no one help would them out," I will eat my hat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I guess all of those charities that make sure people have heating oil and winter clothes drives never happened. If you can satisfactorily explain how a free market would mean "no one help would them out," I will eat my hat.
    Some would help each other out, but you can't expect that charity would be even near to sufficient. Some would freeze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I guess all of those charities that make sure people have heating oil and winter clothes drives never happened. If you can satisfactorily explain how a free market would mean "no one help would them out," I will eat my hat.
    Any rule that you apply to this, can also be applied to the higher prices of electricity under this plan. That was the point (the assumption was that people would freeze; therefore, they would freeze regardless of the reasons behind prices.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Some would help each other out, but you can't expect that charity would be even near to sufficient. Some would freeze.
    I triple dog dare you to explain how and why. You absolutely do not know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I triple dog dare you to explain how and why. You absolutely do not know that.
    What do you mean? Let's say, even with people paying no income tax, that we measure all that is given to charities. You honestly think this could give everyone a roof over there head (in accordance with the "people will freeze" example), give everyone health care, education.... everything that the charities in existence give you, that that would be enough for everyone? It's not anywhere close to that right now, even if people had no income tax, it wouldn't come close.

    When you read "charity would be sufficient", what do you picture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Whine, moan, bitch
    Are you serious? How can we expect to move forward if people like you can't accept change? Time for us to move forward.

    Would you rather he lie as the Bush administration has done just to appease your senses? I appreciate his honesty.

    Also aren't you black? If so then I think it's crazy that here is an exceptional opportunity for our country to have the first black president are you're possibly voting for Grandpa?
    Time is a delicate mistress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jen View Post
    Also aren't you black? If so then I think it's crazy that here is an exceptional opportunity for our country to have the first black president are you're possibly voting for Grandpa?
    You're a goddamn racist.

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    You're a bloody idiot. Stop making accusations for the sake of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    This is a red herring, and another example of short term thinking over long term thinking. We don't employ butter churners or Pony Express riders anymore either, and the economy managed to survive. Economies evolve.
    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Really, really bad example. The Pony Express failed because the federal government awarded its transcontinental mail contract to another company. If it had been legal to compete with the Post Office (and the Civil War had not happened shortly after the Express started), who knows if it would have succeeded? Lysander Spooner's American Letter Mail Company was shut down by the government, for delivering mail MUCH cheaper than the Post Office did. There is a big difference between being rendered obsolete by competition and being crowded out by government fiat or largesse.
    I think you missed the point by a wide margin. Would you feel better if I said "horse-based mail delivery?" The Pony Express was a handy instance of a service that has no relevance today. Societies and economies evolve and jobs are rendered obsolete. I daresay that no matter how cheaply it was done, there would be no place for the Pony Express today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jen View Post
    You're a bloody idiot. Stop making accusations for the sake of it.
    I make accusations only when my values are violated. You can't seem to help causing that.

    How many people here think I'm an idiot, and that wasn't a racist statement?

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