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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Thank you. The transcript from the link I provided didn't get into that part of the same interview, but I think it was in the audio.



    Again, this is lunacy.
    You do realize that the entire rest of the world doesn't have a problem with it, right? You're just panicky about how this might inconvenience you and yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    I hope Bush isn't obstructing your ability to critically analyze presidential candidates and their policies just because Bush himself was such a bad president. That would be tragic.
    Probably not... and yes, it would be.

    Again, I'd do a better canvass of all the evidence, then draw conclusions; you seem to have a penchant for starting with your inclinations, then looking for evidence to support them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    ... you seem to have a penchant for starting with your inclinations, then looking for evidence to support them.
    Don't most people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    You do realize that the entire rest of the world doesn't have a problem with it, right? You're just panicky about how this might inconvenience you and yours?
    Youd be panicky too if your future president were promising to make your energy prices soar. If our energy prices hit the kind of highs he may be promising in this economic climate, the U.S. will see a further decline and YOU, yes YOU will suffer for it because guess what; WE LIVE IN A GLOBAL ECONOMY THAT DEPENDS ON THE U.S.! As if anybody in this country should care about the absurdity of countries who want us to cripple ourselves just so we can save the world from nonexistent global warming. Meanwhile, China produces multiple coal plants a month and nearly contributes more green house gases than anyone else on the planet, and the other countries don't give a damn. There is no logic or sense in any of it.

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    Truly, "skyrocketing" energy costs in the US would be a bad thing. A little price hike in the interests of controlling air pollution is fine, but for prices to skyrocket would be a categorical negative.

    You think we're in a recession now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Ah, that's right! Forgot he was the president who implemented that. Figures he would make more comparisons to one of the greatest movements toward socialism we've ever had. So does he mean the public wont be able to get his cap and trade policy done, or that we can't get changes like the great society done?
    I took it to mean that without the support of society - a shift in the way they think - no change that is brought on would stick.

    For example, if the people don't support things like "green movements" (improving air, removing dependency on oil, etc) if it would cost them more for things like electricity, there would be no movement forward.

    But that's in context. I think he was thinking about how the Great Society lost support shortly into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Probably not... and yes, it would be.

    Again, I'd do a better canvass of all the evidence, then draw conclusions; you seem to have a penchant for starting with your inclinations, then looking for evidence to support them.
    Add to that I have never once seen you address the opening topic itself in any of my threads... Or perhaps my memory is just failing me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Truly, "skyrocketing" energy costs in the US would be a bad thing. A little price hike in the interests of controlling air pollution is fine, but for prices to skyrocket would be a categorical negative.

    You think we're in a recession now...
    His theory goes that there would be more savings in the future than the costs in the present (or vice versa, more costs in the future, depending on how you read it).

    If a company does this - essentially not making changes to efficiency because it wants profits for this quater - it tends to be viewed as nearly fraud (and they tend to go extinct). Even if it hurts in the short run, it can be beneficial over the long run. Recession is, by definition, a short term thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    His theory goes that there would be more savings in the future than the costs in the present (or vice versa, more costs in the future, depending on how you read it).

    If a company does this - essentially not making changes to efficiency because it wants profits for this quater - it tends to be viewed as nearly fraud (and they tend to go extinct). Even if it hurts in the short run, it can be beneficial over the long run. Recession is, by definition, a short term thing.
    No focus on short term = No existence of long term.

    On a side note, it's interesting how many people flock to Obama's charismatic rhetoric of change and hope. And they likely would after Bush's terms in office. But: out of the frying pan, into the fire!

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    Well, I am for more energy trading and deregulation of electricity generation, so that doesn't bother me much. Of course, piecemeal deregulation can be as bad or worse than none at all, so it doesn't surprise me that the Bush Administration (and their buddies) screwed that up, too. Generation deregulation seems to have been a qualified success here in my home state of Pennsylvania. I like that I can buy green electricity from other states without any disruption in service.
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