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    NUCLEAR CARS!!!!

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    In a way, this is pretty cool. People will not make enough to refuel their cars, and they'll see the same problem with other people, which means that I'd be able to attract women without needing to have a car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    In a way, this is pretty cool. People will not make enough to refuel their cars, and they'll see the same problem with other people, which means that I'd be able to attract women without needing to have a car.
    *nods* insightful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I'd like to see what information you have that shows capital costs are so high as to make nuclear power not economically viable. I haven't seen that. However, I would agree that capital costs are higher, but how much higher?

    Btw, those costs are GREATLY influenced by regulation.

    Here's a graph showing the per kwh cost of different types of fuel. Notice how nuclear continues to fall.
    From memory, it's greater by about an order of magnitude in net costs, which doesn't include the extreme lead time for nuclear power, or the capitalized cost over it's lifespan.

    But that's net, not /kwh -> the problem being the scope of the project, not the efficiency. It also ignores Price-Anderson Nuclear Industries Indemnity Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Without such things, it would be virtually impossible to get the free market to build it.

    I know that graph. It comes with the following disclaimer:

    Note: the above data refer to fuel plus operation and maintenance costs only, they exclude capital, since this varies greatly among utilities and states, as well as with the age of the plant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    From memory, it's greater by about an order of magnitude in net costs, which doesn't include the extreme lead time for nuclear power, or the capitalized cost over it's lifespan.
    And the lead time is so long because of...regulations.

    But that's net, not /kwh -> the problem being the scope of the project, not the efficiency. It also ignores Price-Anderson Nuclear Industries Indemnity Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Without such things, it would be virtually impossible to get the free market to build it.
    The most important part of the act being the defining of liability.

    I know that graph. It comes with the following disclaimer:

    Note: the above data refer to fuel plus operation and maintenance costs only, they exclude capital, since this varies greatly among utilities and states, as well as with the age of the plant.
    Yes, I know about the disclaimer. That's why I separated it from the talk about capital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    And the lead time is so long because of...regulations.
    Not entirely... It's the same for most large scale capital projects. It could probably be reduced some, but regardless, it's pretty long.

    The most important part of the act being the defining of liability.
    Yup - the socialisation of risk.

    Yes, I know about the disclaimer. That's why I separated it from the talk about capital.
    Right, sorry - I realised that I sounded snarky

    I think nuclear is a good idea, overall, but I don't think it is a viable option for the free market. That's the crux of my argument. I have no problem with the power itself, but working for a very capital-intensive organisation, I know the mentality behind these projects. It just won't happen.

    There is also an element of game theory here - so long as no one gets into nuclear, prices remain stable where they are.

    My honest opinion is that the future of power is decentralisation. People will start generating more and more energy on their own... That's why I tend to support the externality costs. It might make nuclear and decentralised options
    viable, naturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Some would help each other out, but you can't expect that charity would be even near to sufficient. Some would freeze.
    Of course you can expect that.

    You could be wrong, but expecting the state to provide anything sufficient could also be wrong. Politicians have better things to spend your money on than the poor and needy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    Of course you can expect that.
    Why?

    It's easy to say that government can offer a policy that would force people to have the bare requirements for life. And enforce it. So long as the country is rich enough that it can support such a policy, it would be effective.

    How does similar reasoning work for charity? Is it possible, yes. Would it? How do you know with such confidence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I'm not really all that environmentally conscious, but having as our lifeblood petroleum, a non-renewable resource that is primarily produced by people who do not like us is just a bad idea on so many levels.
    Are US-Canada relations really that bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Link- Hot Air

    OMG, is this guy serious!? Obama is claiming he will raise energy prices.
    Its well known in the financial markets that Obama would invest a lot more in NEW TECHNOLOGY alternative energy sources like solar, wind, etc... than McCain would.

    I mean, how can anyone reasonably argue that this is not a good thing? By all means, short alternative energy stocks if Obama wins if someone thinks alternative energy has no future...

    Nuclear and coal technology is all good to some degree for pragmatism. But what the hell? We are in the 21st century. Lets look forward to the future. I mean, why not talk about kerosene and whale fat too. or timber. Lets build Kerosene plants! lolz

    but in all seriousness, why is it so hard for a coal miner to also learn how to install solar panels? Or a lumberjack learning how to install wind towers? there should be some attention on that...

    going off on a tangent, if you put really fat people on bikes that run electricity plants, then you can solve so many problems at once.

    Energy crisis
    Overweight problems
    health care system burden
    no pollution
    employment numbers

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