For those who believe in spirit/soul...

Little Linguist · 07-05-2008, 02:03 PM

I'm not sure if there has been (a) thread(s) on this subject because I am new and do not feel like pouring through all the threads, but....

If we were to clone a human being, would that person have a spirit or soul?

Of course, for those who do not believe in such a thing, the point is moot. But I like to speculate and speak about such things.

Victor · 07-05-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Carolyn Beine

I'm not sure if there has been (a) thread(s) on this subject because I am new and do not feel like pouring through all the threads, but....

If we were to clone a human being, would that person have a spirit or soul?

Of course, for those who do not believe in such a thing, the point is moot. But I like to speculate and speak about such things.

A soul is a metaphor and metaphors don't exist for metaphors are comparisons of relationships.

But if we were to clone you, and what a good idea, you would be able to compare relationships so you would have a soul.

So not only would we have the two Carolyn Beines we would have two souls.

dnivera · 07-05-2008, 03:37 PM

The "soul" is a cultural and religious construction.

There's no physical code for the "soul" in DNA as there are genes for skin color, hair color, eye color, and so forth. There's no gene for the soul in nucleotide bases. Hence it can't be cloned.

disregard · 07-05-2008, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little Linguist

I'm not sure if there has been (a) thread(s) on this subject because I am new and do not feel like pouring through all the threads, but....

If we were to clone a human being, would that person have a spirit or soul?

Of course, for those who do not believe in such a thing, the point is moot. But I like to speculate and speak about such things.

A spirit or soul?

No.

Spirit and soul?

Of course.

SquirrelTao · 07-06-2008, 03:21 PM

No answers, just more questions and speculations.

I'm assuming the clone would have both a physical brain and consciousness (whatever consciousness is). If so, then imagine the clone becoming very interested in Eastern disciplines of consciousness. Imagine the clone meditating. Also, imagine the clone developing a fascination with mind-altering substances. The clone travels to Africa and tries ibogaine under the direction of a tribal chief. He/she travels to South America and tries ayahuasca while a shaman chants and sings in the jungle. He/she goes to Burning Man every year.

The clone writes down all his/her experiences of meditation and acid trips in a diary. Then we compare the diary to the writings of non-cloned people who have experimented with mind-altering substances and who have deeply embraced Eastern disciplines of consciousness.

What would the comparison prove?

colmena · 07-06-2008, 03:32 PM

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Samuel De Mazarin · 07-06-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by colmena

The Philosophers' Magazine

I disagree that psychologic continuity is maintained if the body is zapped and rebuilt from scratch... a clone results, but the psychological brain state is not maintained... the new you will believe it's you, but the old you is dead and gone... I can't accept that psychologic continuity is maintained at all... tough questions... good quiz.

Owl · 07-07-2008, 06:56 AM

If, on your 25th birthday, I surgically removed the right hemisphere of your brain without killing you and wired it to a brainless body, (assume I'm a talented neurosurgeon), such that the half-brain sent the necessary signals to the lungs, heart, and other vitals to give life to the once brainless body, would you inhabit both bodies, or would there be a new person?

Samuel De Mazarin · 07-07-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Owl

If, on your 25th birthday, I surgically removed the right hemisphere of your brain without killing you and wired it to a brainless body, (assume I'm a talented neurosurgeon), such that the half-brain sent the necessary signals to the lungs, heart, and other vitals to give life to the once brainless body, would you inhabit both bodies, or would there be a new person?

Instinct tells me that I (the same person as before) am inhabiting both bodies as long as the connection maintains its integrity.

Mort Belfry · 07-07-2008, 12:10 PM

The real question is, if you had sex with your clone would that be:

a: gay?
b: masturbation?
c: incest?
d: a & c?

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SquirrelTao Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Type: INXX Posts: 198	No answers, just more questions and speculations. I'm assuming the clone would have both a physical brain and consciousness (whatever consciousness is). If so, then imagine the clone becoming very interested in Eastern disciplines of consciousness. Imagine the clone meditating. Also, imagine the clone developing a fascination with mind-altering substances. The clone travels to Africa and tries ibogaine under the direction of a tribal chief. He/she travels to South America and tries ayahuasca while a shaman chants and sings in the jungle. He/she goes to Burning Man every year. The clone writes down all his/her experiences of meditation and acid trips in a diary. Then we compare the diary to the writings of non-cloned people who have experimented with mind-altering substances and who have deeply embraced Eastern disciplines of consciousness. What would the comparison prove?

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Owl desert pelican Join Date: Feb 2008 Type: INTP Location: In ruined wastes. Posts: 671	If, on your 25th birthday, I surgically removed the right hemisphere of your brain without killing you and wired it to a brainless body, (assume I'm a talented neurosurgeon), such that the half-brain sent the necessary signals to the lungs, heart, and other vitals to give life to the once brainless body, would you inhabit both bodies, or would there be a new person?

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