What's the difference between healthy self-esteem and narcissism? - Page 4

Jeffster · 05-30-2009, 12:52 AM

I can pronounce the first one easier.

Jaguar · 05-30-2009, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sentura

i have personally never had any problems being a narcissist, which leads me to question why exactly narcissism is a bad thing?

Alcoholics say the same thing.

Sentura · 05-30-2009, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jaguar

Alcoholics say the same thing.

let me rephrase then: other people don't have a problem with me being a narcissist.

noigmn · 05-30-2009, 03:06 AM

Self esteem is believing in yourself. Narcissism is believing in your reflection. One is a clear realistic reference that leads to confidence and sensible decisions; the other is a non-realistic grandiose confidence that has no reference to reality and leads to arrogant decisions which serve nothing but sustaining that image. Self esteem can exist without a person to mirror. Narcissism needs another party to verify one´s existence (in a false way, realistic affirmation and feedback is normal to need).

FC3S · 05-30-2009, 03:07 AM

Self-entitlement is the difference.

Jaguar · 05-30-2009, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sentura

let me rephrase then: other people don't have a problem with me being a narcissist.

I think you and Charles Manson would get along.

Sentura · 05-30-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaguar

I think you and Charles Manson would get along.

i take that as a compliment

Jaguar · 05-30-2009, 09:48 PM

I knew you would.

mortabunt · 06-20-2009, 01:34 PM

Self esteem is knowing that you have value. Narcisism is beleiving that you are the only entity with value.

Chloee · 06-25-2009, 09:40 AM

unhealthy narcissism is when you love yourself because you think others don't or wouldn't. That's love where there's only You and you've rejected Others. so narcissistic love is "screw you, World, you brought me nothing but disappointment so I'll love myself for both of us"
Healthy self-love is when you accept both poles as equaly worthy, You and Others, so you don't love yourself because you're better than others, you just love yourself, it's more self acceptance than self-love. You just are.

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FC3S Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Type: ENTP Location: Oh, somewhere. Posts: 371	Self-entitlement is the difference. __________________ ESTP - Definition: "Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target a 120 km away, with an aratech sniper rifle and tri-light scope.

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Jaguar Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Type: WILD Posts: 3,068	I knew you would. __________________ Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~Mark Twain

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06-20-2009, 01:34 PM	#39 (permalink)
mortabunt Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Type: INTP Posts: 972	Self esteem is knowing that you have value. Narcisism is beleiving that you are the only entity with value.

06-25-2009, 09:40 AM	#40 (permalink)
Chloee Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Type: enfp Location: .. Posts: 655	unhealthy narcissism is when you love yourself because you think others don't or wouldn't. That's love where there's only You and you've rejected Others. so narcissistic love is "screw you, World, you brought me nothing but disappointment so I'll love myself for both of us" Healthy self-love is when you accept both poles as equaly worthy, You and Others, so you don't love yourself because you're better than others, you just love yourself, it's more self acceptance than self-love. You just are.