The Enemies of Reason by Richard Dawkins - Page 2

NocturnalSun · 08-16-2007, 02:45 PM

"There are two ways of looking at the world: through faith and superstition or the rigors of logic, observation and evidence -- through reason."

False dichotomy. So much for reason.

Sahara · 08-16-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NocturnalSun

False dichotomy. So much for reason.

Laymans terms how so?

NocturnalSun · 08-16-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sahara

Laymans terms how so?

It isn't just those two options.

Sahara · 08-16-2007, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NocturnalSun

It isn't just those two options.

Oh right, I see what you mean, but what other ways are there of seeing the world?

(Talk slow for the extra F in me

lol)

reason · 08-16-2007, 04:17 PM

I like the original title.

Richard Dawkins: the Enemy of Reason

"Not for the first time, reason is in need of a defence from its supposed friends, as much as its enemies."

Mycroft · 08-16-2007, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NocturnalSun

"There are two ways of looking at the world: through faith and superstition or the rigors of logic, observation and evidence -- through reason."

False dichotomy. So much for reason.

Some dichotomies are real and, indeed, at odds.

Oberon · 08-16-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mycroft

Some dichotomies are real and, indeed, at odds.

Faith and reason may be at odds...but are they mutually exclusive?

NocturnalSun · 08-16-2007, 05:08 PM

By nature, NT's tend to be very reason-oriented, but they do not require observation to prove truth. (iNtuitive) Just one example.

edit: And I am kinda offended that faith and superstition are lumped together as if BOTH are necessarily irrational and opposing to observation. What a mockery! My faith denies what we observe, what we have evidence for? That is EXACTLY what Dawkins pushes. All religion is the same in that it opposes evidence and logic, and that it is rooted in human superstition. That's BS, and why it is a "false dichotomy."

Mycroft · 08-17-2007, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NocturnalSun

By nature, NT's tend to be very reason-oriented, but they do not require observation to prove truth. (iNtuitive) Just one example.

edit: And I am kinda offended that faith and superstition are lumped together as if BOTH are necessarily irrational and opposing to observation. What a mockery! My faith denies what we observe, what we have evidence for? That is EXACTLY what Dawkins pushes. All religion is the same in that it opposes evidence and logic, and that it is rooted in human superstition. That's BS, and why it is a "false dichotomy."

That's true, there are certainly religions which are not at odds with the findings of science. (Most forms of Buddhism, for example.) In that sense it is a false dichotomy.

Oberon · 08-17-2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mycroft

That's true, there are certainly religions which are not at odds with the findings of science.

That the Abrahamic religions (to pick an example) might be considered in opposition to science would have come as a considerable surprise to, say, Isaac Newton.

I suspect this is another aspect of the zeitgeist we can ascribe to Darwin...or, more properly, the succession of people who have misinterpreted his work.

08-16-2007, 04:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
reason Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Type: ESFJ Posts: 927	I like the original title. Richard Dawkins: the Enemy of Reason "Not for the first time, reason is in need of a defence from its supposed friends, as much as its enemies." __________________ "Every man, wherever he goes, is encompassed by a cloud of comforting convictions, which move with him like flies on a summer day." - Bertrand Russell

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NocturnalSun Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Type: INTP Location: Central Michigan Posts: 36	"There are two ways of looking at the world: through faith and superstition or the rigors of logic, observation and evidence -- through reason." False dichotomy. So much for reason.

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NocturnalSun Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Type: INTP Location: Central Michigan Posts: 36	By nature, NT's tend to be very reason-oriented, but they do not require observation to prove truth. (iNtuitive) Just one example. edit: And I am kinda offended that faith and superstition are lumped together as if BOTH are necessarily irrational and opposing to observation. What a mockery! My faith denies what we observe, what we have evidence for? That is EXACTLY what Dawkins pushes. All religion is the same in that it opposes evidence and logic, and that it is rooted in human superstition. That's BS, and why it is a "false dichotomy."