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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    Whatchutalkinabout?

    I don't recall saying that.
    You didn't, that was the jist I extracted, and apparently Nocapszy did the same.

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    That's a pity. . .
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    The material from which my inference was drawn:
    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    As I read the OP I thought about the "original," nature -oriented state of man and also that in many ways science has alienated us from that...

    I've frequently read that as scientists get closer to understanding the mechanics of the Universe many of them are clarifying a undeveloped sense of spirituality.
    Perhaps you could clarify?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    Alienation from nature?
    Like I said, alienation isn't always incorrect.
    I didn't say it always is either, did I?

    For each to discover and define.
    I pose again the same question:

    How wonderful. What's stuff is the spirit made of?
    We're talking about stuff here. Not imaginary wishywashy Feeler bullshit.
    Does it exist? I'm asking you; do you genuinely believe that the spirit is something? Or do you merely encourage these spiritual things out of a moral, be it, or be it not arbitrarily derived.

    I myself have never witness the stuff of the spirit. I can't account for its existence. I can only wish that it exists, but I've never found it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    You didn't, that was the jist I extracted, and apparently Nocapszy did the same.
    Remarkable -- I can recall being literally physically shocked; to where I was rendered incapacitated once I became cognizant of this -- how scarcely a person is aware of their own sentiment.

    I wouldn't say it saddens me, except when I attempt to understand things, and they are not accurately diagrammed.

    I am forced to misperceive, which was, as you may recall, my OG (that's original grievance) in this thread.
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    Such stuff and nonsense, "forcing people to misperceive?"

    Apparently you are at my mercy. Heh.

    When Jack appealed to a higher authority I knew I was in trouble. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    When Jack appealed to a higher authority I knew I was in trouble. . .
    No more F please.

    This is a debate, not an ambush. We don't attack your character.
    I don't even know your character. I do know what you say however, and it sounds fishy to me.
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    I imagine it does.

    I'll move so you can get on with your debate.
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    And you have my reciprocal permission, Cat, to continue chasing those fish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    Like I said, alienation isn't always incorrect.
    I didn't say it always is either, did I?

    I pose again the same question:

    How wonderful. What's stuff is the spirit made of?
    We're talking about stuff here. Not imaginary wishywashy Feeler bullshit.
    Does it exist? I'm asking you; do you genuinely believe that the spirit is something? Or do you merely encourage these spiritual things out of a moral, be it, or be it not arbitrarily derived.

    I myself have never witness the stuff of the spirit. I can't account for its existence. I can only wish that it exists, but I've never found it.
    Okay. I've continued to think of the conversation here and I was sorry that I couldn't give you a more direct reference to some of the things I've been reading about the connection between spirit and matter.

    Quite by coincidence last night "Coast 2 Coast" had guest Leo Kim on last night and he was verbalizing some of the things I've been reading.

    Since I'm rarely able to have a useful conversation with Tees unless there is mutual willingness to remain open-minded, I'll just offer one thing he said for your thought.

    And if you are genuninely interested Nocapszy, and not just arguing because your Tee needs some exercise, here is one response to your question from a scientific point of view:

    Scientists know that ninety-some percent of the universe is "out there" but they can't identify or quantify it. Where is it? What is it? It's there. . .

    Offered for your thought.

    Spend time explaining it away or give it some consideration. Your choice.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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