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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    No worries mate.
    You and heart saved the day for me.
    Two lights in the darkness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    You and heart saved the day for me.
    Two lights in the darkness.
    You see Wildcat, you are not all bad.

    Now there are three lights in the darkness.

    And better to light a candle than curse the darkness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    The

    you! you! you!

    of Carnegie

    is about

    me! me! me!
    That says it all. You put a big on my face, Wildcat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    That says it all. You put a big on my face, Wildcat.
    Yeah, it was really well put.

    Go, go, go - wild, wild, Wildcat.

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    I thought most of the advice was common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I thought most of the advice was common sense.
    common sense but not a lot of people can do it.

    anyway, the more that book mentioned about Lincoln, the more I think he is ENFJ. ENFJs have great felicity in social interactions.
    "Adversity makes men, and prosperity makes monsters"

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    And Gordon Gekko told us all in 1987: "Greed is GOOD!" (May as well have been Greed is God. )

    Rod Tidwell (1996): "Show me the MONEY!"

    People see these movies, forget the moral message and instead parrot the cheap slogans as justification for a society based on what a person does and what they can produce as the sole aspect of their worth as people. More of anything is good, even relationships. Stack friends up like cord wood.
    Bullshit. Did you miss the part about how Gordon Gekko's father was pushing around electrical supplies until he dropped dead at 49? Or how Gekko, despite his dashing appearance, came from an absolutely humble background?

    As someone that came from nothing, I can definitely want to be like Gekko more than anyone else. The man singlehandedly made himself a success.

    And I hate to break it to you people, but Greed IS the soul of capitalism. "I want" is the essence of capitalism, so in order to take advantage of "I want", people will do something that creates wealth, so "they get". Because you want something, whether it's greed for life (you want to live longer), greed for money (you want to be free from financial burdens), greed for love (you want an amazing significant other), or greed for knowledge (you want to be an expert), you will go to the lengths to get that something.

    And as for the situation we're in...what about one of Gekko's other quotes:

    "Now you either do it right...or you get eliminated."

    Wall Street just eliminated those that didn't do it right.

    As for Carnegie's book, I use it on interviews. Be genuinely interested about my interviewer. If they came all this way to interview me, then I want them to do the talking. If I can get them to talk about themselves and listen, because everyone's experience is something I can genuinely learn from, they may want to take me along.

    Right now, my job is to prove that I am willing to listen and learn. I believe Carnegie's book exemplifies that.

    And furthermore, it's nice to have a bunch of people like you so that they can serve your purposes. And if you like them, it becomes a mutual friendship.
    I am an ENTJ. I hate political correctness but love smart people ^_^

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Yes, good points.

    Comment in general:

    I think there's a difference between being tactful towards other's feelings and going around smoozing like a used car salesman to manipulate others into liking you.


    Glancing through the thread, I see a pattern of external judgers finding value in the book and internal judgers being repulsed by the book.
    I never read the book. Is it really about manipulating people?

    I thought it would be more about principles of "cooperative behavior."

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlyaK1986 View Post
    ....but Greed IS the soul of capitalism.
    And fear is the dark side, as we see everyday now.

    Greed leads the Bull Market and fear leads the Bear Market.

    And the Bear follows the Bull as Nemesis follows Hubris.

    And it is a herd of Bulls and a sloth of Bears.

    Greed is contagious and spreads through the herd of Bulls like wildfire; and fear is equally contagious and spreads through the sloth of bears like epsom salts.

    So the market is a creature of the herd and the sloth - God bless 'em both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlyaK1986 View Post
    Bullshit. Did you miss the part about how Gordon Gekko's father was pushing around electrical supplies until he dropped dead at 49? Or how Gekko, despite his dashing appearance, came from an absolutely humble background? As someone that came from nothing, I can definitely want to be like Gekko more than anyone else. The man singlehandedly made himself a success.
    And here I thought it was just fiction!


    Now I see it must be as true as any Horatio Alger story!

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