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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The fact is that the father of MBTI was Carl Jung.

    Jung was a fascist who freely and voluntarily supported the National Socialists.

    Jung was a charismatic guru who tried to found his own religion, but only succeeded in founding a cult, of which MBTI is part.

    No qualified psychometrician uses MBTI. And no psychometrician would even dream of using any personality test in the manner MBTI is used here.

    MBTI is a form of soft fascism and anti-enlightenment.

    This is important today because the Islamo-fascists have declared war on us and the Enlightenment.
    That's the most farfetched and outlandish thing I've read all day. You care to elaborate on that or are you just gonna make more claims without backing them up with anything substantial ?

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    I find Atheism per se, just as "mindless" as other forms of religion, really. Denying the existence of something for which we have no supporting or disproving evidence is just as fair as assuming it exists.

    I'm not sure if this is really about atheism or atheism and agnosticism, but I am an agnostic in the sense that I don't completely discard the possibility that there is a god. I happily coexist with religious people and understand that they view the world differently. But that doesn't mean that just because there is some truth and spiritual gain to some religious ideologies, that they constitute any less of a "farce" in my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince View Post
    People in powerfull positions who lack this "awe" -wether contributed to god or nature- in day to day life are just as dangerous as religious people in power.
    nice try bill oriely ... just because I lack a belief in God or wicca does not mean Im going to be like stalin if im in power. im sure you've heard of secular humanism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    I find Atheism per se, just as "mindless" as other forms of religion, really. Denying the existence of something for which we have no supporting or disproving evidence is just as fair as assuming it exists.
    I think the argument against this is that since atheism is, by and large, "opt-in," it requires some thought up front whereas people who are born into religion and never doubt it never have that experience. However, IMO, kneejerk rebellion against one's religious upbringing is not a heck of a lot more thoughtful than never questioning one's religious upbringing. Either atheists or theists can mindlessly accept or lash out against religion, and either atheists or theists can carefully consider for themselves and arrive at a conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vince View Post
    That's the most farfetched and outlandish thing I've read all day. You care to elaborate on that or are you just gonna make more claims without backing them up with anything substantial ?
    Vince, relax please.

    Victor's posts need not be interpreted as clear-cut statements. He does not seek to deliver a message, he just seeks to evoke an emotional reaction from others. He has not commitment to factual accuracy or logical consistency, as his claims stand, they are strictly non-sense. But nonetheless may be an interesting outlet for our imagination.

    Besides, if you try to question the plausibility of his statements, he will just assume you don't like him, much like he did here.

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...reply&p=278739

    It is also here where he states that his claims are purely 'rhetorical' and need not be analyzed logically. This supports my assertion in the first paragraph of this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vince View Post
    Who's Hawkins ? I thought this was about Dawkins..
    There are definitely scientists enough with strong moral values or who belief in things like progress, prosperity, personal happiness, etc etc... - Carl Sagan to name one. I'm not trying to deny that.
    Er, yeah. Dawkins.

    I never have been much for details.

    Anyway, as you'll discover if you do read one of his books, he is very much in awe at the greatness of the universe and its workings. He's a very passionate individual. (Although it should be noted that the passion with which an argument is presented has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it is accurate or true.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg
    I find Atheism per se, just as "mindless" as other forms of religion, really. Denying the existence of something for which we have no supporting or disproving evidence is just as fair as assuming it exists.
    So you won't think me silly for my belief in invisible hollow unicorns that glow and talk to me through airwaves? Fantastic! I was beginning to think I'd never find a hearing ear.

    How can a unicorn be invisible and glow, you ask? They work in mysterious ways. Gosh. So close-minded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I think the argument against this is that since atheism is, by and large, "opt-in," it requires some thought up front whereas people who are born into religion and never doubt it never have that experience.
    Thinking without providing good arguments don't prove much though. Like you, I think kneejerk rebellion is not very thoughtful at all and I'm afraid it's still that kind of mentality that fuels a lot of atheists' drive.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    So you won't think me silly for my belief in invisible hollow unicorns that glow and talk to me through airwaves? Fantastic! I was beginning to think I'd never find a hearing ear.

    How can a unicorn be invisible and glow, you ask? They work in mysterious ways. Gosh. So close-minded.
    I used the word fair for a reason. And I'd still find you silly. But I'd be hard pressed to prove to you they didn't exist now wouldn't I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    I used the word fair for a reason. And I'd still find you silly. But I'd be hard pressed to prove to you they didn't exist now wouldn't I?
    It would be fair to believe a thing exists if the evidence in favor of its existence was more or less equal to the evidence against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    It would be fair to believe a thing exists if the evidence in favor of its existence was more or less equal to the evidence against.
    Yes, but between believing and not believing, in a very arbitrarily defined concept (let's not forget there are many definitions of God), there is a whole spectrum of sentiments. I choose to think that there is no good-enough explanations for the "God exists" proposition on either side, to be argued for or against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Yes, but between believing and not believing, in a very arbitrarily defined concept (let's not forget there are many definitions of God), there is a whole spectrum of sentiments. I choose to think that there is no good-enough explanations for the "God exists" proposition on either side, to be argued for or against.
    I'd really like to hear a "God exists" theory that has more rational evidence and reasons supporting it than against it.

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